being veggie

Dr.Rock

Doom_and_Gloom wrote: »

A vegetarian does consume eggs and milk usually actually as the most common form of vegetarian is that of lacto-ovo-vegetarian.

A lacto-ovo vegetarian consumes both eggs and dairy.
A lacto-vegetarian is one that will consume dairy but no eggs.
An ovo-vegetarian is one that will consume eggs but not dairy.
Vegans do not eat any animal products including honey.

Most vegetarians will not wear animal products such as leather and vegans will wear none what so ever including sheep wool. So you are not being picky but misinformed.

As for needing to take food with you everywhere this is also not true.

Unless you're a vegan (or even a veggie) going to Carlisle and wanting something to eat. If you're not in the mood for either bread, toast, or potato then you're pretty much going to go hungry.
Also vegans do not use cosmetics or creams made with lanolin.

AbFab

ZiggyStardust wrote: »

A really interesting post AbFab . Were you a vegetarian before turning vegan?

Thank you, ZiggyStardust. Yes, I was vegetarian for about five years first. I am puzzled at myself for taking so long to make the connexion between the dairy industry/milk and how it came to be in a bottle. I was also 'old' by the time I went vegetarian - again, in retrospect, I can't believe it took me til I was 19/20 to realise meat was not necessary to my diet.
Vegetarian at 19/20, vegan at 25.
My husband went straight from meat-eating omnivore to vegan though.

adouglasmhor

Dr.Rock wrote: »

Unless you're a vegan (or even a veggie) going to Carlisle and wanting something to eat. If you're not in the mood for either bread, toast, or potato then you're pretty much going to go hungry.
Also vegans do not use cosmetics or creams made with lanolin.

I have had a couple of decent veggie meals in Carlisle pubs, chips may have been involved but I had a veggie curry in one which was vegan, veggieburger and chips (Brake bros style burger with peas and corn through it) and quorn sausages on a bap another tiem, not my facourites but I am damn sure Carlsile has curry shops too which will do a couple of veggie things as well. And Morrsions sell fruit.

Volcano

AbFab wrote: »

I think the volume of meat humans consume is actually detrimental to our health - all research I have read indicates this to be the case. I don't believe health-wise we were ever designed to eat the amount of animal flesh most people do.

I agree, many people eat far too much meat.

Add to that my personal experience - I've been vegan for coming up to ten years, and have not had a day off sick in that entire time - the same cannot be said for any of my meat-munching colleagues: I haven't even had a cold in all that time either, while all around me sniffle and snivel through the winter,

I'm afraid that counts for very little. With 'meat-munchers' being in the majority, they'll inevitably have more time off sick (just like right-handed people), whether they proportionally have more time off than non-meat eaters will take a study that'd need to compare equal sets of meat and non-meat eaters.

Further, the sheer scale of how we farm animals,........ it's certainly not something that sits very well with me.

Me neither.

Add to that the impact on the environment, and it seems like a pretty solid case to go vegan.

I don't see enough evidence for that.

If you put a hungry toddler in a room (or an adult, for that matter), with an apple and a little bunny rabbit, which would the child choose to eat?

Bizarre comparison. Is the bunny and apple ready to eat? Or is the bunny hopping about and the apple unripe and sour?

Unlike natural carnivores, we are physically and psychologically unable to rip animals limb from limb and eat and digest their raw flesh. Even cooked meat is likely to cause human beings, but not natural carnivores, to suffer from food poisoning, heart disease, and other ailments.

Humans do this around the world every day with no ill effects. "Likely" to suffer food poisoning, heart disease and other ailments from cooked meat? That's absolutely ridiculous; in fact, the rest of that extract is similarly lacking in factual credibility.

I'm all for good, scientific evidence for eating a healthy diet, even for eating a non-meat diet, but when people 'invent' facts to suit their moral crusade (as in that extract) then they're likely to lose sympathy with those who know the difference between reality and rhetoric.

mick_sturbs

I don't eat red meat but i am not veggie
The mad cow scare just put me right off and now i can't stand it.
I think somtimes your tastes change as you get older
people should be free to choose what they eat without any pressure from anyone else
good luck everybody

Volcano

tryingtoruletheworld wrote: »

I do however find it really odd that we consume the milk of another animal.

Maybe its because....

tryingtoruletheworld wrote:

I like the flavour of cheese......

:huh:

Ken68

For those that do eat cheese, Lidl are doing a promotion, works out at £2.44 kg. (down to 49p from 69p for 200g).....BUT in slices, good way tho to control intake.

cactuspotty

I have been a veggie for 15 years and I'm so bored of having to justify my diet to everyone. I don't eat any meat or fish (including products with gelatin etc in), but I do eat dairy products and occassionally eggs. I don't wear leather shoes, I don't have leather furniture and I turned veggie because I don't want an animal to die just so that I can eat it.

But that's all my choice. I'd never ask a meat eater why they eat meat.

AbFab

Volcano wrote: »

I'm afraid that counts for very little. With 'meat-munchers' being in the majority, they'll inevitably have more time off sick (just like right-handed people), whether they proportionally have more time off than non-meat eaters will take a study that'd need to compare equal sets of meat and non-meat eaters.

I agree! In fact, initially I wrote that I knew I wasn't a large enough sample group on my own, but I edited it down as I thought my response was so long! Besides, I was only adding myself as an anecdote to the previous paragraph regarding the book I linked to.

Volcano wrote: »

I don't see enough evidence for that.

It's common sense. How much food do we need to feed a cow before it's 'beefed up' enough to feed a human? If humans ate directly from the land, it would drastically reduce the damage to the soil. This is just one link for you, but Google/research it yourself, and there is plenty of evidence to support my comments. www.veganoutreach.org/whyvegan/environment.html

Volcano wrote: »

Bizarre comparison. Is the bunny and apple ready to eat? Or is the bunny hopping about and the apple unripe and sour?

You are twisting something straight-forward. Let's say both apple and rabbit are in their most fresh state! Fresh for an apple = mmm, yummy, crispy, juicy and nutritious. Fresh for a bunny = alive.

Volcano wrote: »

Humans do this around the world every day with no ill effects. "Likely" to suffer food poisoning, heart disease and other ailments from cooked meat? That's absolutely ridiculous; in fact, the rest of that extract is similarly lacking in factual credibility. I'm all for good, scientific evidence for eating a healthy diet, even for eating a non-meat diet, but when people 'invent' facts to suit their moral crusade (as in that extract) then they're likely to lose sympathy with those who know the difference between reality and rhetoric.

I don't take 'likely' to refer to immediate food poisoning. But if you take the time to read The China Study, it hopefully will provide you with all the facts that you may see this comment as credible.

Mojisola

cactuspotty wrote: »

I have been a veggie for 15 years and I'm so bored of having to justify my diet to everyone. I don't eat any meat or fish (including products with gelatin etc in), but I do eat dairy products and occassionally eggs. I don't wear leather shoes, I don't have leather furniture and I turned veggie because I don't want an animal to die just so that I can eat it.

How can you run a dairy industry without animals dying?