Diesel vs Petrol

motorguy

negg wrote: »

Diesel is definitely the best for performance.

I can't decide which is my favourite diesel though: Ferrari, Maserati, Rolls-Royce, Bentley, Lamborghini ... oh hang on ... if diesel was best for performance where are their diesel burners?

Modern diesels provide a combination of performance, economy, and driveability that a lot of regular people prefer.

95% of the time, for every petrol car, theres a diesel variant providing better economy, better torque and similar performance, often for similar prices.

motorguy

goldspanners wrote: »

i work on older and newer diesels regularly and i see the old diesels with space ship hours on them and very little things causing faults,but i also see the new expensive diesels and the faults they get, the customer doesn't see all of these yet as warranty hides most of them but when it doesn't they are in for a shock when thier relaible diesel cost them a fortune and won't start due to a black box that costs £2000 to replace,or an injector that costs £500 (each). an injector for the older engine would have cost £100 and the black box simply wasn't there.

Nonsense. Every car these days has at least one CPU (black box) whether its a petrol or a diesel.

I had a 1992 2.0i Audi Coupe that had ECU problems, and a replacement ECU cost £1800 back in 1996.

motorguy

negg wrote: »

Diesel is definitely the best for performance.

I can't decide which is my favourite diesel though: Ferrari, Maserati, Rolls-Royce, Bentley, Lamborghini ... oh hang on ... if diesel was best for performance where are their diesel burners?

OK Smart Boy.

I've just bought a new Passat 2.0 TDI Bluemotion.

I got it for £15850 and it will average around 58mpg and hit 0-60 in around 11 seconds. It has air con, leccy windows, cruise control, alloys, and met paint.

Can you show me any Passat for less money that offers a better combination fo price, economy and performance?

goldspanners

pgilc1 wrote: »

Nonsense. Every car these days has at least one CPU (black box) whether its a petrol or a diesel.

I had a 1992 2.0i Audi Coupe that had ECU problems, and a replacement ECU cost £1800 back in 1996.

i was comparing old diesels with new diesels.

sebdangerfield

Any schoolboy can quote performance figures, I never disputed those. Where does Parkers say A3 2.0TDI(170) is more expensive to run and maintain than the 2.0TFSI?

Parker's doesn't. Thats why I posted other links to £1500 bills for DPF and £1200 bills for injectors. They prove it.

I believe you critiscised others for not comparing like for like?
Thanks for the three links. If I post four links to problems with S3s would that prove they are less reliable and cost more to maintain?

I think in this comparison, the facts should well and truly be in favour of the diesel! A modern diesel made by BMW compared to a supercar manufacturer who only gave (at the time of my purchase) 6 months warranty on a car with over 400 bhp from a tiny ford mondeo engine! And still the Noble was cheaper to mainatin!
The only problem we've ever had with our (Mrs's) S3 are the coil packs which I believe are the recurring problem, £200.

Says the man who bought a bmw 335d :rotfl:

In similar posts on her I've made it perfectly clear it wasn't bought as a performence car. I have a house in Hungary and whilst it was being renevated I was doing huge miles traveling there. It was the cheapest alternative to a propper car. It's still a damn sight closer to performence than a diesel A3 and TT though! :rotfl:With regards to performence cars; I bought the M12 for performence and also an Exige, clio v6 and Westfield xtr4 which have all since been sold but for the M12. I'm also waiting delivery of a supercharged airel atom which I will guarentee will be cheaper to run than any modern diesel and has more performence than any supercar I've ever been in.

You are ......... being less than honest

Im not at all, I'm reading it ver batim from my service book. It doesn't mention anything about milage, just it's variable and the variable service may be changed throughout the car's life at the onset of a major service.

Any simple google search will povide more than enough facts to show how common modern diesel faults are and how costly they are when they do go.

I'm just a simple car nut with opinions like everyone else, the fact the people who back me up on here are the mechanics must also speak volumes!

sebdangerfield

pgilc1 wrote: »

OK Smart Boy.

I've just bought a new Passat 2.0 TDI Bluemotion.

I got it for £15850 and it will average around 58mpg and hit 0-60 in around 11 seconds. It has air con, leccy windows, cruise control, alloys, and met paint.

Can you show me any Passat for less money that offers a better combination fo price, economy and performance?

Lovely car, if thats what you want I couldn't point you in a better direction for those criteria stipulated. Good choice. But the point of this conversation is that diesel is the economy choice, not the performence one, your post shows that economy was the overriding factor in your purchase, not performence.

sebdangerfield

ahillsy wrote: »

Pedal power ftw! :T

Totally agree! Although it seems at the moment bikes cost me even more!

missile

sebdangerfield wrote: »

Parker's doesn't. Thats why I posted other links to £1500 bills for DPF and £1200 bills for injectors. They prove it.

In your opinion, but no one I know has had to replace DPF or injectors. FYI many petrol cars have injectors and catalytic convertors are expensive too

The only problem we've ever had with our (Mrs's) S3 are the coil packs which I believe are the recurring problem, £200.

That is one more problem than I have had with my A3 TDI (170) which just goes to prove ......... !!!!!! all :rotfl:
The 335d clearly illustrates that for some a diesel is the better choice :rolleyes:
I would consider the TT more of a performance car than your beemer:D

I'm reading it ver batim from my service book

You need to read a bit more. Audi say> the interval can be up to 19,000 miles/24 months for petrol engines and up to 30,000 miles/24 months for 3 and 4 cylinder TDI diesel engines.
I doubt your mate goldspanners will disagree with that?

motorguy

I think that for most mainstream cars, for every petrol variant, theres a similar performing diesel variant.

Typically, these cost a bit more to buy, but are worth a bit more come resale time.

Some people prefer the way diesels drive. Some people prefer the way petrols drive.

Each to their own.

missile

pgilc1 wrote: »

I think that for most mainstream cars, for every petrol variant, theres a similar performing diesel variant.

Typically, these cost a bit more to buy, but are worth a bit more come resale time.

Some people prefer the way diesels drive. Some people prefer the way petrols drive.

Each to their own.

Well said :A