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Incapacity Benefit Wrongly Stopped - Failed Medical
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Oldernotwiser wrote: »No it is not! It's about scaremongering based on one or two people's (subjective) bad experiences!
No its not, the thread is about someone who had their benefit stopped, in their opinion, due to failing a medical, and the replies cover the broad topics associated with that, from protection during the medical, to the reports, the appeals the whole spectrum of topics related to it.
Other peoples experiences of *exactly the same sort of problem the O/P* had, and may experience later, are highly relavent, much more so in fact than opposiing statements saying everything is normally fine - as that is not relavent to a case where its obviously not fine.
It would scare people equally as much to be told all the fault must rest on their shoulders as the majority of things are fair, and it must be *their* problem, they must be at fault, they must have screwed up at the medical ,or elsewhere - they are to blame, when often that really is not the case.
People sharing similar experiences can help those in a similar situation understand it is not their fautl, and over time more people can post their experiences, on both sides of the coin, a picture will naturally build up of the truth,[greenhighlight]but it matters when the most senior politician in the land is happy to use language and examples that are simply not true.
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The impact of this is to stigmatise people on benefits,
and we should be deeply worried about that[/redtitle](house of lords debate, talking about Cameron)0 -
Originally Posted by Garry_Anderson
Some people are trying to get the thread deleted by saying it is just about policies or politics - when in fact, like you say, it is primarily about things poster claimants should be aware of when undertaking so-called 'medicals' and 'independent' tribunals.Oldernotwiser wrote: »No it is not! It's about scaremongering based on one or two people's (subjective) bad experiences!
You and others (supporters of the flawed system) call it "scaremongering" because it raises alarm - however it is not rumour or needless alarm - indeed "bad experiences" are quite common - as we can all see on this forum.0 -
Well, seeing as you openly admit that you are not bothered about having an opinion on something that can be proven incorrect, ie - you are quite willing despite evidence to still beleive things that are untrue, that leads me to add even less weight to any thing you say.
Most sensible people would be interested if a point of view they had was challenged and proven to be incorrect beyond doubt.
How many other things regarding this area do you deliberately ignore the facts about I wonder?
Re your first paragraph, I have not openly admitted that I am not bothered about having an opinion on something that can be proven incorrect, I said I am not re-reading any posts because you want me to. I do not care how much weight you apply to anything I say, your opinion does not interest me. Others will know I am correct.
I have not given a point of view on taping etc, I just thanked someones post, a sensible person would not be as petty as you are.
I do not ignore the facts I have been giving facts.0 -
Re your first paragraph, I have not openly admitted that I am not bothered about having an opinion on something that can be proven incorrect, I said I am not re-reading any posts because you want me to. I do not care how much weight you apply to anything I say, your opinion does not interest me. Others will know I am correct.
I have not given a point of view on taping etc, I just thanked someones post, a sensible person would not be as petty as you are.
I do not ignore the facts I have been giving facts.
Thanking someone for a 'useful' post is giving an opinion on that post....
Obviously, if your willing for the thanks to stay, and are not bothered if that thanks is now thanking a misleading post, that would to me, in my opinion, mean you clearly support the spreading of false information to benefit claimaints, and would prefer the claimaint is not in a position to be able to better their chances of justice.
Things like that, and a unwillingness to state where experience comes from, combined with a obsession about posting a certain fact, is now making me think twice about the majority of tribunals being fair, I used to believe they were - perhaps something has changed, regulations, rules, who knows, but my previous beliefs are being challenged now.
Especially when Im starting to wonder if you may be sitting on a tribunal yourself, and dislike facts, simply because someone points them out to you. Things like that make me think twice about the things I previously thought generally fair overall.
As for the others will know I am correct, that again is being belittled by the fact that that is generally displayed by other users thanking posts, and the thanks given by a group on here is clearly biased as it in general is willing to thank only posts without evidence, and never thanks any posts with evidence that is against their point of view.
It becomes clear how meaningless thanks are by certain posters if they are never applied in a fair manner,and are used instead to gang up on other posters, and promote / denigrate posts with actual experiences in.[greenhighlight]but it matters when the most senior politician in the land is happy to use language and examples that are simply not true.
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The impact of this is to stigmatise people on benefits,
and we should be deeply worried about that[/redtitle](house of lords debate, talking about Cameron)0 -
As for the others will know I am correct, that again is being belittled by the fact that that is generally displayed by other users thanking posts, and the thanks given by a group on here is clearly biased as it in general is willing to thank only posts without evidence, and never thanks any posts with evidence that is against their point of view.
I think you're going to have to translate that into English for me!0 -
Oldernotwiser wrote: »I think you're going to have to translate that into English for me!
Don't do it to yourself ONW! :rotfl:0 -
Thanking someone for a 'useful' post is giving an opinion on that post....
Obviously, if your willing for the thanks to stay, and are not bothered if that thanks is now thanking a misleading post, that would to me, in my opinion, mean you clearly support the spreading of false information to benefit claimaints, and would prefer the claimaint is not in a position to be able to better their chances of justice.
Things like that, and a unwillingness to state where experience comes from, combined with a obsession about posting a certain fact, is now making me think twice about the majority of tribunals being fair, I used to believe they were - perhaps something has changed, regulations, rules, who knows, but my previous beliefs are being challenged now.
Especially when Im starting to wonder if you may be sitting on a tribunal yourself, and dislike facts, simply because someone points them out to you. Things like that make me think twice about the things I previously thought generally fair overall.
As for the others will know I am correct, that again is being belittled by the fact that that is generally displayed by other users thanking posts, and the thanks given by a group on here is clearly biased as it in general is willing to thank only posts without evidence, and never thanks any posts with evidence that is against their point of view.
It becomes clear how meaningless thanks are by certain posters if they are never applied in a fair manner,and are used instead to gang up on other posters, and promote / denigrate posts with actual experiences in.
An opinion is words a thank you is just a thank you.
I cannot unthank someone even if I wanted to . I do not support false information, I am trying to give a correct picture of tribunals, that the vast majority are fair.
You are one with the obsession it is clear for everyone to see, I am just giving the correct picture. If me posting a fact is making you think the opposite it is you that clearly have a problem. So to take this further if you now think tribunals are not fair that would mean that you should not have won the tribunals you have attended, you cannot have it both ways.
I am still not telling of my experience and it obvious that tribunals do deal with facts.
I was not referring to people who thank me I was referring to anyone who can see I am correct. You seem obsessed with thank yous as well.0 -
Heals - it is your opinion and that of a few of your 'friends' that the so-called ATOS 'medicals' and so-called 'independent tribunals' are fair - there are more people on this forum that say they are not
BTW: The very same 'friends' that thank many of your posts
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Garry_Anderson wrote: »Heals - it is your opinion and that of a few of your 'friends' that the so-called ATOS 'medicals' and so-called 'independent tribunals' are fair - there are more people on this forum that say they are not
BTW: The very same 'friends' that thank many of your posts
(After editing out the emotive language).....
The reason there are more people on here who say the medicals are unfair is because we never hear from the (majority) of people whose claim went ahead with no problems!(AKA HRH_MUngo)
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Imagine someone holding forth on biology whose only knowledge of the subject is the Book of British Birds, and you have a rough idea of what it feels like to read Richard Dawkins on theology: Terry Eagleton0 -
seven-day-weekend wrote: »The reason there are more people on here who say the medicals are unfair is because we never hear from the (majority) of people whose claim went ahead with no problems!
If there was a vote on this forum - you would lose
The point being - absolutely nobody is saying every test is unfair - just that there is a problem that you and 'friends' do not want to recognise.0
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