Social impacts of our situation...

sjaypink

StevieJ wrote: »

Nothing has changed it has always been difficult for young people to buy in very desirable areas, in the past they have tended to move away and buy somewhere cheaper.

i supposed i am not familiar with that as this never used to be a desirable area! i guess most of the south west had the same problem, as i remember a lot of protests against second home owners in cornwall particularly, and some weird dawn french sitcom...

anyway, one moment we were all just fine- fishing and farming, running a few ice cream stalls and dodgy b&bs, fawlty towers stylee...

...the next its all luxury apartments, people eating pesto on the pavements (not off the pavements) and cos the roads are so !!!!!! all these marinas had to be built so they could get here...

...and, as i said, no idea of the concept of 'moving', as no-ones ever done that before, we're all inbred :think:

sjaypink

bendix wrote: »

Another interesting thread hijacked by yet more whining about house prices? God help us.

wasnt whining... well maybe just a little...

just pointing out that house price movements mean so much more than who lives where- it affects attitudes to work, ambition, others in society etc

ok... so maybe this wasnt the perfect thread for my op either, can i have suggestions for the 3rd one to copy and paste it to?

StevieJ

sjaypink wrote: »

wasnt whining... well maybe just a little...

just pointing out that house price movements mean so much more than who lives where- it affects attitudes to work, ambition, others in society etc

ok... so maybe this wasnt the perfect thread for my op either, can i have suggestions for the 3rd one to copy and paste it to?

Don't listen to him

StevieJ

sjaypink wrote: »

i supposed i am not familiar with that as this never used to be a desirable area! i guess most of the south west had the same problem, as i remember a lot of protests against second home owners in cornwall particularly, and some weird dawn french sitcom...

anyway, one moment we were all just fine- fishing and farming, running a few ice cream stalls and dodgy b&bs, fawlty towers stylee...

...the next its all luxury apartments, people eating pesto on the pavements (not off the pavements) and cos the roads are so !!!!!! all these marinas had to be built so they could get here...

...and, as i said, no idea of the concept of 'moving', as no-ones ever done that before, we're all inbred :think:

You seem a reasonable lot, the other Celts used to burn those second homes down :eek:

lemonjelly

StevieJ wrote: »

Don't listen to him

Yeah, he's first for the scaffold anyway. Plus, what you said is relevant.

bendix

lemonjelly wrote: »

Hmmm. Underestimate your enemy at your peril. But to answer, the Luddites weren't the happiest bunch of people with their lot, especially when their ability to earn was threatened.

Throughout history, the populace has rallied, especially against the Poor Laws. In example, following the Napoleonic Wars, the impact of returning soldiers was massive on the poor of the country. There were also increases in unemployment at this time, and social unrest.
Also at this time, the price of bread had increased, creating further unrest, as well as a malnourished nation. (Cost & quality of food, happening now).

With respect, trying to draw parallels between the disorder in post-Napoleonic war Britain and the Peterloo massacres with today is stretching credulity just a tad far.

Bottom line is this. In all those instances, people were hungry and malnourished. Now those same people are obese and badly nourished. We are an obese nation - while my constance references to daytime tv and chocolate hobnobs are slightly facetious, they remain apt.

If the Tolpuddle Martyrs had Big Brother and Wotsits, they would not have bothered getting up until 11.30am that morning.

When those people were unemployed, they starved. When people aren't working, a large proportion of them still manage to drive cars, smoke, go to the pub and go to Benidorm once a year. Hardly the same socio-economic circumstances, would you think?

bendix

lemonjelly wrote: »

Yeah, he's first for the scaffold anyway. Plus, what you said is relevant.

Hardly. I reckon my working class background will trump yours, anyday.

When the revolution comes (he says, searching for a yawning emoticon), I shall hide my cash under the mattress, change into my emergency Primark shellsuit bought for the occasion, and just mingle with the great unwashed.

lemonjelly

bendix wrote: »

With respect, trying to draw parallels between the disorder in post-Napoleonic war Britain and the Peterloo massacres with today is stretching credulity just a tad far.

Bottom line is this. In all those instances, people were hungry and malnourished. Now those same people are obese and badly nourished. We are an obese nation - while my constance references to daytime tv and chocolate hobnobs are slightly facetious, they remain apt.

If the Tolpuddle Martyrs had Big Brother and Wotsits, they would not have bothered getting up until 11.30am that morning.

When those people were unemployed, they starved. When people aren't working, a large proportion of them still manage to drive cars, smoke, go to the pub and go to Benidorm once a year. Hardly the same socio-economic circumstances, would you think?

See your point. At the same time, we've been involved in a war abroad. Numerous soldiers will be coming home soon (we hope). The price of food is going up. The quality of food now is poor, so I do agree our nation is poorly nourished and should be in better shape. & yes, that is the individuals responsibility.

Some of my comments are facetious/devils advocate too.

But whilst the socio-economic circumstances are different, so are expectations. Once you take stuff away from people, they can become aggressive. In fact, once people have decided they want a certain thing, they can become increasingly aggressive until they get it.

I'm not saying they're right, just that it may happen.

lemonjelly

bendix wrote: »

Hardly. I reckon my working class background will trump yours, anyday.

When the revolution comes (he says, searching for a yawning emoticon), I shall hide my cash under the mattress, change into my emergency Primark shellsuit bought for the occasion, and just mingle with the great unwashed.

Yeah, but we'll spot you as not one of our own, as your mattress will be higher than all ours;)

bendix

lemonjelly wrote: »

See your point. At the same time, we've been involved in a war abroad. Numerous soldiers will be coming home soon (we hope). The price of food is going up. The quality of food now is poor, so I do agree our nation is poorly nourished and should be in better shape. & yes, that is the individuals responsibility.

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Is the price of food going up? I thought it was going down. I could be wrong, I suppose. It happens now and again. The last time was in 1981. I bet on the wrong horse at the Grand National.

Anyway, I'm off to my Taxpayers Revolutionary Support Group meeting. We are proposing to rise up and free ourselves of the shackles imposed on us by the evil welfare state. Oh, and the council workers.

Now THAT would be a revolution worth participating in.