Crunch time for council workers’ golden pensions

bendix

lemonjelly wrote: »

Post of the day:T

post of the day, or last sentence of the day lemonjelly?

Can we take it you agree with the first half of the proposition?

MyLastFiver

Another thread gloating that some ordinary working people are going to be made poorer. Donald, you really are a charmer.

donaldtramp

MyLastFiver wrote: »

Another thread gloating that some ordinary working people are going to be made poorer. Donald, you really are a charmer.

The "ordinary people" you are defending here are leeching off the back of other "ordinary people" and they don't even realise how ridiculously good they have it.

The whole of Britain is going to be "poorer" if we allow this ludicrous situation to carry on unresolved.

Don't try to throw that "ordinary people" union speak at me;)

Not a charmer. I'm a realist.
When is everyone going to realise that we cannot continue to live in Labours never ending debt bubble. At some point we will have to face up to all of this mess.

ALIBOBSY

I and my OH have both worked in private and public sector.
Yes the public sector was more secure (not so anymore lol), good leave terms and pensions and for me especially, very flexible regarding work life balance when you have kids. However the pay has always been much less than simular work in the private sector. Most people accept the lower pay because of the decent terms and conditions.
I am not talking about the people in whitehall or regional managers, I am talking about the rank and file many of whom get little or no thanks (bonuses don't make me laugh). At least in the private sector if you work hard and the company does well you have prospects and chances to increase your income.

There has always been too many chiefs and not enough indians in the public sector, and sadly when I was there although some management structures were reduced when GB wanted to slash staff numbers it was those at the bottom who took the brunt yet again.

I would say my biggest issue with the public sector is the slow way everything is done and I agree some the red tape and procedural crap is rubbish, much worse than it was in the 90's when I first started. The staff actually doing the work that matters to the public have been reduced and the staff who check and do what we used to call non jobs have increased.
The pensions have been used in the past by many governments to justify lower pay in the civil service et al

So yes cut pensions but you need to go further and create a leaner better paid and motivated workforce. .
Work smarter not harder.

Most public sector staff are people just like you who work hard and struggle to keep a roof over their heads. They don't earn huge amounts quite the opposite, an admin officer in the DWP would hit a max of around 17k after years of experience. But the majority are on around 13-14k. Not exactly a fortune is it.

ali x

izzybusy23

bendix wrote: »

post of the day, or last sentence of the day lemonjelly?

Can we take it you agree with the first half of the proposition?

Watch out lemonjelly... you have a post stalker! :cool:

SuzieSue

ALIBOBSY wrote: »

So yes cut pensions but you need to go further and create a leaner better paid and motivated workforce. .
Work smarter not harder.


ali x

Exactly, everyone (public and private sector) should be paid the market rate which is determined by supply and demand. Public sector pensions which are guaranteed by the taxpayer are unsustainable and need to be stopped immediately.

carolt

donaldtramp wrote: »

Brilliant and not before time:T
Even Labour has realised that the bloated public sector's pension provision is unfair, unsustainable and ridiculously generous.

Go on strike if you want. The public is most definately NOT behind you.

Bring it on!!!

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/money/pensions/article6810021.ece

Bet you're happy, donald!

Out of interest, why do you have this visceral hatred for the public sector? Is it a dogmatic thing, like Maggie? Are you a great believer in the ideal state being no state? No such thing as society, etc?

Just wondering...

Davesnave

I would quite like to bait donald, but I'm just too lazy, having got used to my fat-cat lifestyle on 12k pa from the Teachers' Pension Scheme. T'was always thus.... I used to luxuriate in my Portacabin at 15 degrees in January, with 35 ten -year-olds for company.......Oh, those were the days!

Mind you, if things turn sour, some time in the future, I now have a 'country estate' to fall back on......Courgette flapjack, anyone?:p

carolt

No thanks, I'm a bit courgetted-out, thanks. Our allotment turned up trumps, with all our courgettes turning into marrows within a week of heavy rain.

How do you make courgette flapjacks, out of interest? Anything that doesn't involve tomato sauce....

SuzieSue

Davesnave wrote: »

I would quite like to bait donald, but I'm just too lazy, having got used to my fat-cat lifestyle on 12k pa from the Teachers' Pension Scheme. T'was always thus.... I used to luxuriate in my Portacabin at 15 degrees in January, with 35 ten -year-olds for company.......Oh, those were the days!

Mind you, if things turn sour, some time in the future, I now have a 'country estate' to fall back on......Courgette flapjack, anyone?:p

Not sure I get your point - £12k is a lot more than most private sector employees (including me) will be retiring on.