Crunch time for council workers’ golden pensions

carolt

When do you retire? What is your salary? How long is a piece of string?

donaldtramp

Bet you're happy, donald!

Out of interest, why do you have this visceral hatred for the public sector? Is it a dogmatic thing, like Maggie? Are you a great believer in the ideal state being no state? No such thing as society, etc?

Just wondering...

Over the moon.
I'm quite looking forward to the strikes. Even LESS money we will have to pay them. They'll have very little impact on my life. I don't use the state a great deal, we (the private sector employed) just seem to pay for it:rolleyes:

I'm a great believer in not needing a state to control everything we do. I'm a great believer in some parts of Scotland and Wales becoming so dependant on the state(Waged and benefits) that they bliindly vote Labour everytime and try to drag everyone down to the same lowest level possible through tax and spend policies.
By the way, I'm proudly Scottish so I'm not slagging off Scotland and Wales. I am disgusted that the state/benefit system has been expanded to the size it has, sucking the life out of generations of people in the process..

bendix

donaldtramp wrote: »

Over the moon.
I'm quite looking forward to the strikes. Even LESS money we will have to pay them. They'll have very little impact on my life. I don't use the state a great deal, we (the private sector employed) just seem to pay for it:rolleyes:

I'm a great believer in not needing a state to control everything we do. I'm a great believer in some parts of Scotland and Wales becoming so dependant on the state(Waged and benefits) that they bliindly vote Labour everytime and try to drag everyone down to the same lowest level possible through tax and spend policies.
By the way, I'm proudly Scottish so I'm not slagging off Scotland and Wales. I am disgusted that the state/benefit system has been expanded to the size it has, sucking the life out of generations of people in the process..

hear hear!

the state / benefit system is destroying tens of thousands of young lifes, sucking the energy and drive out of a generation who - understandably - are taking the easy way out.

It is criminal. Utterly despicable.

baileysbattlebus

SuzieSue wrote: »

Not sure I get your point - £12k is a lot more than most private sector employees (including me) will be retiring on.

As someone once said - I suppose irony is quite dfficult to convey in a forum

bendix

izzybusy23 wrote: »

Watch out lemonjelly... you have a post stalker! :cool:

It's on the same damned subject, you fool!

lemonjelly

bendix wrote: »

post of the day, or last sentence of the day lemonjelly?

Can we take it you agree with the first half of the proposition?

Nope

on both counts :rolleyes:

Patchwork_Quilt

I think it would be unfair to change the terms for people who were taken on in another era. Is this what is being proposed?

bendix

Patchwork_Quilt wrote: »

I think it would be unfair to change the terms for people who were taken on in another era. Is this what is being proposed?

Why? It's happening in the private sector. Why shouldnt it be the same for the public sector to face the harsh realities of the new economic world?

Dhmellor

I can't believe this! The UK state pension is one of the worst in Europe, with many many pensioners living below the poverty line, and worse off than pensioners in Poland and Rumania. See, for example, http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/pensions/article.html?in_article_id=488932&in_page_id=6

And yet people copme on this forum suggesting that we should be reducing pensions! The problem isn't that public sector pensions are too high, it is that the state pension, and private sector pensions, are far too low.

carolt

donaldtramp wrote: »

Over the moon.
I'm quite looking forward to the strikes. Even LESS money we will have to pay them. They'll have very little impact on my life. I don't use the state a great deal, we (the private sector employed) just seem to pay for it:rolleyes:

I'm a great believer in not needing a state to control everything we do. I'm a great believer in some parts of Scotland and Wales becoming so dependant on the state(Waged and benefits) that they bliindly vote Labour everytime and try to drag everyone down to the same lowest level possible through tax and spend policies.
By the way, I'm proudly Scottish so I'm not slagging off Scotland and Wales. I am disgusted that the state/benefit system has been expanded to the size it has, sucking the life out of generations of people in the process..

I agree with you largely re the benefits part, but not really re the public sector. I can't feel that education, health, police or so many other essential services would be better off run by faceless, unaccountable private corporations, as you presumably do.

Or would you rather do away with education, healthcare and police, for example, and live in a state of illiterate anarchy with no healthcare?

I just don't get it, honestly.

I'd love to hear your vision of Utopia. Honestly, please share - I just don't get where you're coming from.