Flaming Bears

shakerbaby

carolt wrote: »

It would be lovely if the first part (re bulls) were true. Unfortunately, there appear to be too many bulls (or whatever you want to call them) on here who seem to derive greatest happiness from the earnest wish that bears on here never own property - I've lost count of the number of 'losers!' type attacks I've received and read on here. People who, sadly, only believe themselves rich if they can feel that someone else is poorer; who gloat endlessly (pickledpink was a good example) about the huge detached house/s they own, which the bears on here would 'never be able to afford'. Their joy in owning these things appears to be tied directly to others' lack of them.

Personally, speaking as someone (I think) classified as a bear, all that means to me is that I think houses are still overvalued relative to incomes and will have further to fall. I don't want anyone to be worse off as a result, although obviously, if prices fall, as I believe they will, this will impact negatively on those who bought at the peak - it's inevitable.

As a result of my views, I'm holding off buying for now - I fail to see how that makes me 'despicable'. It either makes me 'canny', if you think I'm right in my predictions, or 'foolish' if I'm wrong. No more, no less. I don't want a recession, unemployment or anything else; I just believe that house prices are still overvalued and will correct, possibly with some of those side effects, unfortunately. My belief this will happen doesn't mean that I either think it's great! or that I am personally responsible for these effects.

It's just how things are, and I see no advantage to be gained by hiding one's head in the sand.

You hit the proverbial nail on the head, or to be more precise 'bull in the knackers' there. :beer:

Kev09

carolt wrote: »

It would be lovely if the first part (re bulls) were true. Unfortunately, there appear to be too many bulls (or whatever you want to call them) on here who seem to derive greatest happiness from the earnest wish that bears on here never own property - I've lost count of the number of 'losers!' type attacks I've received and read on here. People who, sadly, only believe themselves rich if they can feel that someone else is poorer; who gloat endlessly (pickledpink was a good example) about the huge detached house/s they own, which the bears on here would 'never be able to afford'. Their joy in owning these things appears to be tied directly to others' lack of them.

Personally, speaking as someone (I think) classified as a bear, all that means to me is that I think houses are still overvalued relative to incomes and will have further to fall. I don't want anyone to be worse off as a result, although obviously, if prices fall, as I believe they will, this will impact negatively on those who bought at the peak - it's inevitable.

As a result of my views, I'm holding off buying for now - I fail to see how that makes me 'despicable'. It either makes me 'canny', if you think I'm right in my predictions, or 'foolish' if I'm wrong. No more, no less. I don't want a recession, unemployment or anything else; I just believe that house prices are still overvalued and will correct, possibly with some of those side effects, unfortunately. My belief this will happen doesn't mean that I either think it's great! or that I am personally responsible for these effects.

It's just how things are, and I see no advantage to be gained by hiding one's head in the sand.

It’s hard to argue with what you say. But for every big spuds bull on here, there is some bitter bear revelling in the demise of especially BTL'ers and property celebrities in general.

I think there is far too much emphasis put on the housing market, it is not the whole economy and it is possible to have a flat housing market yet a growing economy. The media however seems to have fused the two entirely, as have they with easy credit and a growing economy as well. People are worrying far too much about it. I think the property market is stagnant for a very long time and depending on the region could fall miles further, however I think by next year the economy could be on the up.

bluey890

tomterm8 wrote: »

I can agree with you there, in the longer term I think there are solutions to these problems. While earths resources are limited, the universes are near infinite.

I think you have been watching a little too much Star Trek.

If history tells us anything, it's that resource crunches lead to war, not warp technology.

JonnyBravo

bluey890 wrote: »

I think you have been watching a little too much Star Trek.

If history tells us anything, it's that resource crunches lead to war, not warp technology.

Well thats ok becaue war is the mother of invention.
Many huge technological advances are made in times of war.

It's just the fighting bit that's the pain in the @ss.

bluey890

JonnyBravo wrote: »

Well thats ok becaue war is the mother of invention.
Many huge technological advances are made in times of war.

It's just the fighting bit that's the pain in the @ss.

I agree. Although not many inventions seem to have came from the most recent wars (Iraq and Afganistan).
Anyone know why this is? (or maybe I just missed them)

mewbie_2

PasturesOld wrote: »

Come on close this rubbish off. Sorry you can't afford to buy but that is just tough i'm afraid.

Gosh great post, and an incredibly funny and clever copy of someones handle.

nearlynew

PasturesOld wrote: »

Come on close this rubbish off. Sorry you can't afford to buy but that is just tough i'm afraid.

I never thought I would ever say this...................


You are an idiot Pastures.

tomterm8

bluey890 wrote: »

I think you have been watching a little too much Star Trek.

If history tells us anything, it's that resource crunches lead to war, not warp technology.

Very funny, Bluey. History tells us war is inevitable, regardless of whether we have warp technology or the sledge. And who said warp technology is necessary?

Look into space for a shorter distance than we've already travelled, you will find trillions of tons of asteroid chock full of resources. In another direction is the sun, which is chock full of both energy, and with technology that is only a decade away, solar wind we can use to explore the rest of the sollar system.

If we required warp technology to do this, we might well be dead. In reality, we can do this with the current level of technology.

StevieJ

JonnyBravo wrote: »

Well thats ok becaue war is the mother of invention.
Many huge technological advances are made in times of war.

It's just the fighting bit that's the pain in the @ss.

I think marginal costs are the mother of invention, if we are now past peak oil, the future cost per barrel should rise (permanently), at some point this will increase past the cost of alternative energy sources this is when the step change will come.

skap7309

tomterm8 wrote: »

Personally, I think people should stop whining on about bull baiting, and the flaming bears, and get on with the important things in life. Such as saving 4p a can on baked beans.

Or saving £40,000 on a house. Now THATS important.