Benefit cheat - but family member - help?

jamesey07

if you had read my earlier posts i said why does the OP not go and report someone else like people who have a out of date car tax, drug dealers r complain to MPs as they have been taking the pi55 outta everyone instead of reporting someone so close to home, and as for the other thing about if i where a victim of crime yes i would rather have my own form of justice, if you where to be attacked would u rather have the person who commited the crime tucked up in a cosy jail only to be let out soon after r make them suffer the same thing?

nottslass_2

Fire_Fox wrote: »

A simplistic and wholly misleading post. For a start you have taken adult portion sizes and guidance on healthy eating intended for adults and applied it to minors! Calories are only a concern where a child is already clinically obese and, in any case, neither of the above foods are particularly energy dense. Children require a moderate intake of saturated fats - hence the guidance to give full cream milk in early years.

Secondly you have omitted most of the key nutrients for growth and development - what about fibre, essential fatty acids, vitamins, minerals, protein? What about the additional nutrition supplied by the milk poured over the wholegrain cereal? I am qualified to degree level in nutrition and I consider tinned spaghetti to be nutritionally devoid 'junk food', but wholegrain cereal and milk to be the basis of a balanced and healthy breakfast.

I based my findings on the information given on the packaging - which is the only information available to most "lay people"

I was responding to a post that suggested such food stuffs (the spaghetti) contributed to child obesity - I was pointing out that the spaghetti was lower in calories,fat & sugar which we all know are the things we need to reduce in order to loose/maintain a healthy weight.

A lot of the cereals marketed to children are high calorie,high fat & full of sugar they would be the last thing I'd feed my child for breakfast & given the choice tinned spaghetti,served on wholemeal toast (and a glass of milk thrown in for good measure) Is probably a whole lot healthier (& less likely to lead to bad eating habits) than a bowl of coco pops !

1sue23

It is no good I now have a real craving for spaghetti on toast and I am going to commit the ultimate in sins, I am going to have it on white toast smothered in real butter ,I may even have a little grated full fat chedder cheese grated on top .

chirpchirp

I haven't read the whole thread, just dipped in an out through out the day.

Rather than report your SIL could you not make comments to your other SIL aobut working tax credits paying 80% of childcare costs to a registered childminder to her. It could work out quite well for both SIL's. If the first one was to register and come off benefits she could take other chn and earn quite alot. Other SIL could benefit from staying on mates rates but getting 80% of the money back.

lolababy

Just a fact that seems to have been missed regarding benefits, there is millions going unclaimed and you dont see that in the goverments calculations.

Fire_Fox

MrsTine wrote: »

I think anyone who thinks a tin of spaghetti is a nutricious breakfast has some serious issues... I don't think it's a nutricious meal - let alone breakfast. Is it any wonder childhood obecity is on the up?

Having an occissional til of rubbish - fine - bringing your child up on a diet of tinned spaghetti... I never said it meant they should have the children removed (but thanks for putting words in my mouth )

I think there is a world of difference between a grown adult having spaghetti on toast once in a while and an otherwise sensible diet - I'd say milk, fruitjuice and wholemeal bread indicates that you have a jolly good idea about sensible eating
And regularly feeding children tinned spaghetti for breakfast...
I agree a little in moderation probably does no harm - but to bring a child up on tinned spaghetti as a diet staple? I'm sure that no-one actually thinks that is a healthy diet?

nottslass wrote: »

I based my findings on the information given on the packaging - which is the only information available to most "lay people"

I was responding to a post that suggested such food stuffs (the spaghetti) contributed to child obesity - I was pointing out that the spaghetti was lower in calories,fat & sugar which we all know are the things we need to reduce in order to loose/maintain a healthy weight.

As I read it Mrs. Tine was far more shocked by the fact that a completely unhealthy foodstuff was being given to a child on a daily basis. You were rather sarcastic about her knowledge of nutrition when, in fact, she is more knowledgeable than you. Calorie restriction and low fat is NOT recommended for children except in cases of clinical obesity - healthy eating is. That means five a day, wholegrains, dairy and fish not sweets crisps, cakes and biscuits.

Eating tinned spaghetti for breakfast, or indeed any other meal won't fill you up - you need fibre, protein or fat content. For that reason (and because it requires no chewing whatsoever) tinned spaghetti is higher on the glycaemic index than wholegrain cereal and milk. In susceptible children this sort of diet can lead to type 2 diabetes.

nottslass wrote: »

A lot of the cereals marketed to children are high calorie,high fat & full of sugar they would be the last thing I'd feed my child for breakfast & given the choice tinned spaghetti,served on wholemeal toast (and a glass of milk thrown in for good measure) Is probably a whole lot healthier (& less likely to lead to bad eating habits) than a bowl of coco pops !

I would agree completely that spaghetti with wholemeal toast is absolutely fine once in a while, and better than refined cereals! Mrs. Tine was comparing a daily dose of tinned spaghetti (no indication of supplemental foods from the OP) with own-brand cereal and milk - you chose to use Shreddies as an example not Cocoa Pops.

You must stop thinking about foods being high calorie in respect to your children unless they have a weight problem under medical supervision. If you avoid highly processed foods and ensure they get the recommended one hour of exercise every day your children will grow up healthy and a healthy weight.

There are many breakfast cereals on the market which are healthy for a youngster to eat. I would be happy to feed a child of mine porridge, oat crunchy, muesli, Grape Nuts, any variation of Weetabix, Shreddies (not frosted or chocolate), Shredded Wheat and varieties, Cheerios, Fruit and Fibre.

Own-brand cereals are often lower in salt and added sugar (and cheaper!) than their branded counterparts so may be preferable, and I would always add a little fresh fruit. Healthier toppings for toast than a tin of spaghetti include baked beans, eggs, cheese (soft/ cheddar) or peanut butter. Several of my suggestions are far from low calorie, but they all provide key nutrients for growth and development. Tinned spaghetti is empty calories.

UKTigerlily

RoxieW wrote: »

Brilliant :T Just what I would have put if I could have been bothered. I think we can forgive MsTine as a new mummy (forgive me if wrong) for her rather extreme point of view but as a busy mum of 3 I can honestly say that although I spend a fortune on all organic this and that, get weekly abel and cole deliveries where the veg is so fresh I have to wash the dirt off it and cook from scratch most days - there are times - usually once a week - when you just cant beat a tin of something on toast or bunging a frozen pizza in the oven lol.
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Not read all of this but there's no need to be patronising, becoming a Mum doesn't mean anyone suddenly learns what's good/bad etc, some without kids can know everything about child nutrition, some with 10 can know nada! The impression *I* got was the Sis in law of the OP does the spaghetti thing daily, now beans on toast yes that's good, assuming wholemeal toast but spaghetti isn't the same! OP isn't doing this once a week cause she's tired out etc but daily & I believe this is what mrstine is aware of & you're not

RoxieW

You misunderstand my post.I'm not suggesting that either I or mrs Tine know more about nutrition. Merely that when we start out as parents its easy to look down our noses at things we are determined not to do - which Mrs Tine was doing in quite a melodramatic way. Life however sometimes gets in the way of this idealistic view and I'm yet to find a perfect parent. I for example let my kids have 'childrens' cereals for a treat in the summer holidays. As i write this they are watching a dvd still in their pj's lol. Every parent in the land must be guilty of parenting faux pars - giving processed foods/being too uptight about food, too much tv, spoiling them, not spending enough time with them, being too strict/not strict enough etc etc etc. We shouldnt really judge minor 'issues' unless we would be happy to have our own routines and lives picked apart. After all giving a child spaghetti on toast and letting them watch too much tv is hardly child abuse
Plus - I doubt the op is there every morning to see what they have for breakfast - or to see exactly what they do all day. She was probably choosing examples in order to point the bleakest picture and prove her point.

Sarahlou_2

Hi guys

Phew - I didn't know a tin of spaghetti would be so contraversial! Thank you for all your replies. We (me and OH) popped over to SIL1's last night. I was flicking through the paper and there was an advert about if you return to college and train as XY or Z - then you can apply to have your childcare paid. I pointed this out and explained what a great opportunity this could be for her and her little boy. Her reply?

"what the f*ck do I want to do that for?" ........I give up :rolleyes:

Thank you for all your advice x x

KellyWelly

You can't live somebody else's life for them as tempting as it is sometimes.

Maybe she's stuck in a rut and feels a bit depressed? She probably realises you look own your nose on her a little as well.