I wish you could sue smokers!

momoyama

marleyboy wrote: »

Smokers should STILL have an indoor venue, exclusively for them to smoke in, but they don't. They don't complain about it, but its not stopped them smoking.

hartcjhart wrote:

Now you have your way why are you not all supporting the poor pub/club/bingo hall etc that are going bust, I will tell you why cos youve had your self centred smug holier than thou and dont give a sh*t about the businesses

I will defend people's rights to the hilt. I defend smokers' right to smoke. I defend their right to have somewhere indoors to smoke.

BUT I also defend MY right to not be smoked around and be able to go somewhere indoors smoke-free.

I don't want to see pub's close anymore than anyone else; I've been brought in a pub'-going household and enjoy a pint at my local.

Certainly have pub's seperate smoking and non-smoking bars within their premises. I have no problem with that whatsoever. I'm all in favour of it.

momoyama

andyelcomb wrote: »

What I find interesting about SOME (but probably most) smokers is that they have so little regard or consideration for others.

It isn't just their polluting smoke and smell, it's their litter too.

Take a good look at roadside litter and you'll see that the vast majority of it is made up of... cigarette butts...

... there must be the odd rare smoker that carefully puts out their butt, places it in the finished packet, keeps it within their car / pocket / whatever and then responsibly disposes of it within their normal garbage back at home.... its just that I haven't seen one myself yet.

...

Personally I believe that smoking contributes to the "f... you, Jack, I'm alright" mentality that pervades the more anti-social "members" of society - which regrettably is also evident amongst some of the previous posters on here....

Spot on.:T

momoyama

JodieUK wrote: »

My mam smoked around me when i was a child. she smoked when she was pregnant in fact. But I have the most loving mam in the world who does in fact give a f**k about me.

She has an addiction to cigarettes she's not a child abuser.

I disagree. Abuse takes many forms. Some are more insidious or less intentional than others. No disrespect to your mother at all as I've never met her. But that's my honest perception.

hartcjhart

momoyama wrote: »

I will defend people's rights to the hilt. I defend smokers' right to smoke. I defend their right to have somewhere indoors to smoke.

BUT I also defend MY right to not be smoked around and be able to go somewhere indoors smoke-free.

I don't want to see pub's close anymore than anyone else; I've been brought in a pub'-going household and enjoy a pint at my local.

Certainly have pub's seperate smoking and non-smoking bars within their premises. I have no problem with that whatsoever. I'm all in favour of it.

At last a non smoker with the right attitude:T:T:T

marleyboy

Whilst I agree with you in principle, that in no way can justify me as a NON smoker to have to endure the pollution of a vehicle, which is far more damaging to my health than someone stood there with a cigarette. Whether its an emergency vehicle, delivery vehicle or just a mum taking their kids to school around the corner from them, in their 4x4, or the bloke who finds taking public transport to work far too stressful, it is still polluting me and my children far worse than any bloke stood there with a cigarette.

Anybody can justify why they are somehow the exception to causing pollution, the fact is, smokers will smoke where the pollution levels are no different, because its acceptable, as acceptable as driving your NON essential or ESSENTIAL vehicle. They don't need an excuse to have a smoke, as much as a driver doesn't need an excuse to drive.

As a NON Smoker, I could object to forcing my children to endure exhausts fumes from cars n lorries, whatever the reason for it. Of course I know cigarettes KILL, but so do cars, lorries and buses, you could get killed merely crossing a road.

I don't put passive smoking as any worse than the existing pollution levels the City has to offer, I see smokers ONLY smoke where the levels are no different to the pollution already existent in their surroundings, so I accept it.

It was all fair and well when Smokers were no longer entitled to enjoy a pint and a fag in the pub, NON smokers were jubilant that all indoor public areas were smoke free. Of course they forgot that Summer was just around the corner, Now they want to complain about the designated outdoor smoking spots that THEY enforced.

If the smoking in a doorway of a building is bothering you so much, take it up with the building inspector not the smoker. I am sure the Smoker would be more than happy to do it in a private room, or smokers club than outside with all the other hazardous pollution.

Enforcing an indoor ban, put it outdoors and in designated areas, the only way to stop it going on, is an outright ban on tobacco. But that will never happen in my lifetime, it makes far too much money. Whilst people have a right to buy a product (any product), they have a right to use it.

As a NON smoker I have NO objections to smokers having a smelly cigarette where the pollution levels are no different, to all the other smelly, hazardous and filthy pollutants.

NON smokers get to enjoy the Cinema, Pubs, Shopping Centres, Play Areas, Work premises and even occasional beaches SMOKE FREE, Smokers no longer have the privilege of an indoor gathering, they have designated little smoking spots, which they WILL use.

Bettyboop

marleyboy wrote: »

Whilst I agree with you in principle, that in no way can justify me as a NON smoker to have to endure the pollution of a vehicle, which is far more damaging to my health than someone stood there with a cigarette. Whether its an emergency vehicle, delivery vehicle or just a mum taking their kids to school around the corner from them, in their 4x4, or the bloke who finds taking public transport to work far too stressful, it is still polluting me and my children far worse than any bloke stood there with a cigarette.

Anybody can justify why they are somehow the exception to causing pollution, the fact is, smokers will smoke where the pollution levels are no different, because its acceptable, as acceptable as driving your NON essential or ESSENTIAL vehicle. They don't need an excuse to have a smoke, as much as a driver doesn't need an excuse to drive.

As a NON Smoker, I could object to forcing my children to endure exhausts fumes from cars n lorries, whatever the reason for it. Of course I know cigarettes KILL, but so do cars, lorries and buses, you could get killed merely crossing a road.

I don't put passive smoking as any worse than the existing pollution levels the City has to offer, I see smokers ONLY smoke where the levels are no different to the pollution already existent in their surroundings, so I accept it.

It was all fair and well when Smokers were no longer entitled to enjoy a pint and a fag in the pub, NON smokers were jubilant that all indoor public areas were smoke free. Of course they forgot that Summer was just around the corner, Now they want to complain about the designated outdoor smoking spots that THEY enforced.

If the smoking in a doorway of a building is bothering you so much, take it up with the building inspector not the smoker. I am sure the Smoker would be more than happy to do it in a private room, or smokers club than outside with all the other hazardous pollution.

Enforcing an indoor ban, put it outdoors and in designated areas, the only way to stop it going on, is an outright ban on tobacco. But that will never happen in my lifetime, it makes far too much money. Whilst people have a right to buy a product (any product), they have a right to use it.

As a NON smoker I have NO objections to smokers having a smelly cigarette where the pollution levels are no different, to all the other smelly, hazardous and filthy pollutants.

NON smokers get to enjoy the Cinema, Pubs, Shopping Centres, Play Areas, Work premises and even occasional beaches SMOKE FREE, Smokers no longer have the privilege of an indoor gathering, they have designated little smoking spots, which they WILL use.

I find all your posts quite strange. You are a non smoker but you defend smokers . You must be one of a very few people who don't mind it that's for sure.

bumpoowee

Bettyboop wrote: »

I find all your posts quite strange. You are a non smoker but you defend smokers . You must be one of a very few people who don't mind it that's for sure.

I find Marleyboys posts quite strange too, they seem to get sillier every time! Funny though!

Volcano

hartcjhart wrote: »

smoking does not cause cancer, we all have cancerous cells in our body and it may trigger lung cancer,as the sun can trigger skin cancer etc,

Oh dear Mind you, with this useful insight into your head:

,so tough doggy doo doo you will have to put up with it,

I'm thinking that a brief explanation of the intricacies of environmentally-caused cancer probably wouldn't be appreciated, how ever badly it is needed.

bumpoowee

hartcjhart wrote: »

smoking does not cause cancer,we all have cancerous cells in our body and it may trigger lung cancer,as the sun can trigger skin cancer etc,
we did not choose to smoke outside YOU LOT forced us to,so tough doggy doo doo you will have to put up with it,you would not let us have our own smoking pubs etc,no we had that choice taken away by YOU LOT,

Now you have your way why are you not all supporting the poor pub/club/bingo hall etc that are going bust, I will tell you why cos youve had your self centred smug holier than thou and dont give a sh*t about the businesses

What a well thought out, researched and considered opinion, and articulated so concisely too.

marleyboy

andyelcomb wrote: »

What I find interesting about SOME (but probably most) smokers is that they have so little regard or consideration for others.

It isn't just their polluting smoke and smell, it's their litter too.

Take a good look at roadside litter and you'll see that the vast majority of it is made up of (in no particular order) cigarette butts and packaging, crisp packets, drinks cans and fast food debris.

But what I think is very telling is that you'll find many of these items together, which indicates that the culprits' lifestyle incorporates most of these things - which regrettably is a very obvious indicator of the standard or quality of these people.

I'm going to avoid calling them all scum, because that can't be the case as there must be the odd rare smoker that carefully puts out their butt, places it in the finished packet, keeps it within their car / pocket / whatever and then responsibly disposes of it within their normal garbage back at home.... its just that I haven't seen one myself yet.

Apart from being a socially responsible person that actually clears up others' litter in the lanes near my house, I'm also a very switched on driver and am very aware of poor drivers - in particular those that seem unable to maintain steady speeds and are otherwise erratic.
Very often the cause is the mobile user (you look next time a vehicle suddenly slows - I'll lay odds they're using a mobile), but I've also been conducting my own ad hoc survey on the motorways and it is interesting that erratic driving is so very often committed by a smoker.

Personally I believe that smoking contributes to the "f... you, Jack, I'm alright" mentality that pervades the more anti-social "members" of society - which regrettably is also evident amongst some of the previous posters on here....

There, that's my 2p worth - I feel better now and await the (rather noxious, particulate-laden) broadside with relish! :hello:

I disagree totally.

I know Nurses who smoke, Judges, Lawyers, Solicitors, they smoke regularly. I have said previous, that everyone must know at least one smoker, either a work colleague or a freind in the pub. Are you telling me they are all ignorant, filthy layabouts, who litter the streets with cans, wrappers and Butt ends?

If every smoker did that, you would be climbing over the waste. Not every smoker is a jack the lad. Likewise not every NON smoker is innocent of littering or polluting the environment. as well as being obnoxiously rude.

Nor is every out of work, sat at home watching daytime TV a Smoker.

Your simply singling out smokers as being responsible for everything nasty and rude that goes on, that NON smokers are some how angelic. I can assure you you are nowhere near the truth in that respect,

Smokers are many, I guess 40% of a City population are smokers (wild guess), I would say 50% of Smokers are respectable, polite, hard-working and courteous smokers, who DON'T go around blowing smoke deliberately into Non Smokers faces, DON'T leave litter behind, and DON'T swear and curse.

I know a large proportion of alcohol drinkers that do that, prob 50% again, whether or not they smoke.

My parents both smoked all their lives, I still dont smoke and have no ill after effects from it, I was brought up in smoking cinemas, restaurants, My old office was a soup of smoke from the Directors an staff alike, I still miss the socialising in the pub with my old Smoker Friends. None of whom went around throwing litter and swearing at everyone.