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I wish you could sue smokers!
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I am not ignorant
If you think that smoking doesn't kill people, then yes, you are extremely ignorant.
I have no problem with smokers who fully understand the risks but choose to smoke anyway. But denial in the face of overwhelming evidence? Don't expect anyone else to give creedence to your strange, self-justifying delusions.0 -
smokers are jokers, drinkers aint thinkers, bankers are w..ell ive said enough.Target Savings by end 2009: 20,000
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A question for all the anti-smokers, if the government were to ban smoking tomorrow, make it totally illegal, would you be happy for your taxes to increase significantly to cover the shortfall in the government's coffers? Don't forget they will need to find that £8bn from somwhere.
Would you also be happy to have all these people suddenly living longer and being an extra drain on services? (if it is indeed true that smoking kills you earlier)
Would you also be happy to have to fork out to pay the unemployment benefits to all those that would lose their jobs as a result of the ban? (I mean all those people that work somehow within the whole industry surrounding tobacco?)
The taxpayer is already forking out millions for those who cannot work due to smoking!!!!!!!!!
Regards your comment on unemployment I think you will find that if smoking were to become completely banned or illegal (yes, wishful thinking I know), then you will find people who are sick with lung problems or other illnesses caused by smoking will become healthier and go back to work. I mean really how many people do you think are sitting at home smoking right now watching daytime TV only to be ruining their health step by step. If you ask me jobs lost in the manufacturing of tobacco will outweigh the cost for those who cannot work due to this addiction!!! In simple terms those smoking what is produced in the tobacco industry will in no doubt outweigh the amount employed in that industry. It would seem to me that you really are trying to justify your habit and make it sound like you are keeping the tobacco industry thriving... what a laugh.
My husband works very hard and long hours and is paying for a bunch of people effected by smoking so as I taxpayer who would be happy about that!
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Before I address your points, it's only fair to match pedantry with pedantry. It's "you're", not "your" in most instances of your last post.
Your point being?
WRONG, if you took the bother to READ properly, you would see that I am NOT a smoker. It seems, you don't like people dogging OTHER peoples filthy habits, as long as its only about smoking"breating in a burger"? !!!!!!? You have a strange way of taking in substances. Oh yeah, you're a smoker. Of course
No I haven't read every post. I've scanned. I don't have the time (or the desire) to read every post. I have a life. A smoke-poluted one, I admit.
I have a friend who's a strict vegetarian. He also works as a butcher which is quite beyond me. If he were to complain then I'd appologise profusely and remedy that. I'm not thoughtless, unlike most smokers.
So do bicycles, so do trainers. I could still argue that as people BUY cigarettes, they must have SOME purpose, else they would not be sold, obviously those addicted to them think they serve a purpose or they would be no need to purchase them. They don't sell underwater matches, as they have no purpose. Whether or not we agree to their purpose, smokers know what it is.No it isn't. Because car do serve purposes. I do agree that there should be better segregation of vehicles and pedestrians, though.
They are sold to people that think that they have a purpose. This is why education on smoking exists. And once you've started then it becomes a matter of trying to overcome that chemical dependence and all that goes with that.
So the purpose that cigarrettes serve is tax generation. That's it. That they are tax generators is only a side effect of the realisation that they have a negative effect on society. Personally, I'd rather my taxes go up!
No, actually it's very correct.I don't even THINK I need a cig, but what right have I got to tell a smoker that, I also don't think a drunkard NEEDS a drink, they only THINK they do. The same rule applies to cars, we have public transport, we have bicycles, we have legs, There was a time Cars weren't invented.
Yes, and I can walk to work and to the shops. But I can't feasibly walk to all the various seminars that I attend. What I learn and experience on those seminars benefits myself and others.
How?now your twisting it to be some sexist issue
Do you have freedom to NOT smoke, in the restaurant, on the train or in the nightclub where your as free to drink? Do you have the freedom to NOT smoke at the Cinema, in the Office and in your own home?All we want is freedom from smoke that's thoroughly unpleseant and detrimental to health.
No. I can't get into any of those premises without walking through a cloud of smoke. Haven't I covered this one already?
Fine, no problem. As I said, I have no problem with people smoking, as long as it's nowhere near me.All smokers want is freedom to smoke (wherever it is they are allowed to)
And then there are those that willfully smoke wherever they arn't welcome to.
Before the smoking ban, when I went to the NIA, you couldn't see the "no smoking" signs because all the [EMAIL="b@st@rd"]b@st@rd[/EMAIL] smokers had their backs against them, smoking. Too few security to act. So you want the freedom to smoke whereever you're allowed and often whereever you arn't allowed, in an enclosed space of hundreds of people. Those people at the NIA should have been locked up for life, IMO.
Yes, because we honestly thought that common sense would prevail and you wouldn't smoke immediately outside the door. Presumably the smoking has killed off all braincells related to empathy or sense.
Agreed, it never used to be like that, up until the Smokers were told "take it outside" which is what ALL smokers do now, safe in the knowledge that you will STILL complain about it.No we don't. It's almost impossible to enter any of those places without walking through a thick cloud of smoke from the b@st@ards gathering around the door.
Does it? Really?Whilst Smoking remains legal, it remains acceptable0 -
If you think that smoking doesn't kill people, then yes, you are extremely ignorant.
I have no problem with smokers who fully understand the risks but choose to smoke anyway. But denial in the face of overwhelming evidence? Don't expect anyone else to give creedence to your strange, self-justifying delusions.
Ignorance implies someone that hasn't listened to the facts or taken any of it on board, I have and have made my choice, many things kill many people, i just don't believe in a blanket 'something kills' mantra.
Likewise I don't subscribe to the speed kills lobby, or the MMGW theory. And no I am not a driver and I have only ever flown once in my life, and I don't run a coal fired power station.
I read the facts, and I make my own mind up, to me that is not ignorance, ignorance is believing everything that you are told and not forming your own opinion.0 -
Smoking is a disgusting habit, and one that I have never picked up. I can't stand secondhand fumes in the street, and I always hold my breath if it comes my way.
In my opinion, cigarettes are just a legal form of suicide, but whilst it is acceptable to smoke, people will do it.Watch this space...0 -
Smoking will NEVER be banned, I dont know one Country where tobacco is illegal, I would be all for a total ban, but am realistic to know it would cost the Government far too much for them too justify it.
Would it reduce lung desease to smokers? Obviously, will it reduce illness from traffic pollution - not one Iota.
I wonder which is more lethal, sticking ones mouth over an exhaust pipe and inhaling it all in, or sticking a cigarette in ones mouth and doing likewise.
I guess to discover the answer to that statistically, we would have to ban one over the other. As for passive smoking, the effects are far to close to be called a statistic.
However it does seem obvious that a smoker inside a car, will outlast someone with the exhaust through their window. which says a lot about passive exhaust fumes.
Cigarettes can KILL, there's no question of it, but so do cars, so does alcohol, so does fatty foods. Until you can BAN such pollutants, they will always remain just as bad.
There are far more smokers than you care to admit to, thats a significant proportion of the population, that for some reason, go outside in the rain, smoking cancer sticks. As many as there are cars on the road, just like cars, they have certain restrictions. Smoking a cigarette by the road of just one car, in comparison its pollutant is not even a tenth of the factor of the car fumes. Whatever their purposes are.:A:dance:1+1+1=1:dance::A
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It's an anti-coagulant. It's also an appetite stimulant.
"breating in a burger"? !!!!!!? You have a strange way of taking in substances. Oh yeah, you're a smoker. Of course
Regards burger, I can smell / taste your smoke. You can't taste the burger that I'm eating. Stupid argument.
No it isn't. Because car do serve purposes. I do agree that there should be better segregation of vehicles and pedestrians, though.
BTW, you don't "need" a cig', you only think you do.
What purpose? They serve no purpose whatsoever.
That's just utter male genetalia. All we want is freedom from smoke that's thoroughly unpleseant and detrimental to health.
As I said, we're addressing that.
No we don't. It's almost impossible to enter any of those places without walking through a thick cloud of smoke from the b@st@ards gathering around the door.
That's right.
Makes sense.
Now, I can choose to walk a route that minimises my exposure to vehicle fumes. I can't choose a route to minimise my contact with the !!!!!!! smokers, as I usually lovingly refer to them, as they're all over the place. At least I can see where the road is, whereas I can't see the person hunched over lighting their cancer stick. Oh hang on, I needn't go to the shops, I can shop on-line and get my shopping delivered... by your exhaust fume belching large-engined vehicles!
Yes, its acceptable because Government says so.Before I address your points, it's only fair to match pedantry with pedantry. It's "you're", not "your" in most instances of your last post.
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Your point being?
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No I haven't read every post. I've scanned. I don't have the time (or the desire) to read every post. I have a life. A smoke-poluted one, I admit.
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I have a friend who's a strict vegetarian. He also works as a butcher which is quite beyond me. If he were to complain then I'd appologise profusely and remedy that. I'm not thoughtless, unlike most smokers.
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They are sold to people that think that they have a purpose. This is why education on smoking exists. And once you've started then it becomes a matter of trying to overcome that chemical dependence and all that goes with that.
So the purpose that cigarrettes serve is tax generation. That's it. That they are tax generators is only a side effect of the realisation that they have a negative effect on society. Personally, I'd rather my taxes go up!
No, actually it's very correct.
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Yes, and I can walk to work and to the shops. But I can't feasibly walk to all the various seminars that I attend. What I learn and experience on those seminars benefits myself and others.
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No. I can't get into any of those premises without walking through a cloud of smoke. Haven't I covered this one already?
Fine, no problem. As I said, I have no problem with people smoking, as long as it's nowhere near me.
And then there are those that willfully smoke wherever they arn't welcome to.
Before the smoking ban, when I went to the NIA, you couldn't see the "no smoking" signs because all the b@st@rd smokers had their backs against them, smoking. Too few security to act. So you want the freedom to smoke whereever you're allowed and often whereever you arn't allowed, in an enclosed space of hundreds of people. Those people at the NIA should have been locked up for life, IMO.
Yes, because we honestly thought that common sense would prevail and you wouldn't smoke immediately outside the door. Presumably the smoking has killed off all braincells related to empathy or sense.
Does it? Really?
As for the smoking killing my brain cell's, I wouldnt know, as far as my brain cells are aware, I have already told you I DONT SMOKE.
Whatever the reasons it is bought, it is still sold. Maybe it is just you, but this NON smoker, has not seen people smoking indoors where they are not allowed, I see them gathered outside or in doorways by a little sign that says "smoking" and the occasional "wall" mounted ash tray. Indicating that the doorway they gather into, is the one place they CAN smoke.
Smokers should STILL have an indoor venue, exclusively for them to smoke in, but they don't. They don't complain about it, but its not stopped them smoking.
I dont know of one little Street in the Whole of the Uk, that hasnt got a smoker living within, its that widely acceptable. Obviously you was WRONG that common sense would prevail and get them to stop, Choice is always prevalent, and unless it is made illegal, smokers will ALWAYS have that choice to make, just like a drivers choice to pollute the streets.
Its acceptable in so much as a car is acceptable, in so much that it is readily available to buy, legal to choose, and allowed to be consumed.
I'm sorry you don't like those rules, I dont make them, I accept it as a fact of life.:A:dance:1+1+1=1:dance::A
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I read the facts, and I make my own mind up, to me that is not ignorance, ignorance is believing everything that you are told and not forming your own opinion.
If you read the facts (smoking kills), then form your own opinion (smoking doesn't kill), then surely that's proof of a very real inability to understand those facts? Failing to understand them = ignorance of them.
It's been widely known for over 50 years that tobacco causes cancer, your bizarre opinion seems to be without any kind of reasoning.0 -
Smoking will NEVER be banned, I dont know one Country where tobacco is illegal,
I do. Bhutan.
Territorial and countrywide smoking bans aren't new:One of the world's earliest smoking bans was a 1575 Mexican ecclesiastical council ban that forbid the use of tobacco in any church in Mexico and Spanish colonies in the Caribbean. The Ottoman ruler Murad IV prohibited smoking in his empire in 1633. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoking_ban
We might see a total ban if tobacco use declines dramatically, maybe down to the level of illegal drug use.I wonder which is more lethal, sticking ones mouth over an exhaust pipe and inhaling it all in, or sticking a cigarette in ones mouth and doing likewise.
I guess to discover the answer to that statistically, we would have to ban one over the other.....However it does seem obvious that a smoker inside a car, will outlast someone with the exhaust through their window. which says a lot about passive exhaust fumes.
Not really. There's a vast difference between a short acting poison and a long term carcinogen.0
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