OK..whats your BMI-time to Fess n Focus

absolutebounder

foreign_correspondent wrote: »

Based on my own experience I would have to disagree with you - I had gallstones a few years ago and had to go onto a very low fat diet. I ate no meals that were above 5% fat for about 18 months, but I ate loads - loads of carbs, veggies, and meat and fish - I like my food - and the weight dropped off me without trying.

Since I stopped eating low fat I have out weight back on...

You may disagree with me but this is what science says:
The currently established human essential nutrients are water, energy, amino acids (histidine, isoleucine, leucine, lysine, methionine, phenylalanine, threonine, tryptophan, and valine), essential fatty acids (linoleic and -linolenic acids), vitamins (ascorbic acid, vitamin A, vitamin D, vitamin E, vitamin K, thiamine, riboflavin, niacin, vitamin B-6, pantothenic acid, folic acid, biotin, and vitamin B-12), minerals (calcium, phosphorus, magnesium, and iron), trace minerals (zinc, copper, manganese, iodine, selenium, molybdenum, and chromium), electrolytes (sodium, potassium, and chloride), and ultratrace minerals (4). (Note the absence of specific carbohydrates from this list.)

GrammarGirl

absolutebounder wrote: »

You may disagree with me but this is what science says:
The currently established human essential nutrients are water, energy, amino acids (histidine, isoleucine, leucine, lysine, methionine, phenylalanine, threonine, tryptophan, and valine), essential fatty acids (linoleic and -linolenic acids), vitamins (ascorbic acid, vitamin A, vitamin D, vitamin E, vitamin K, thiamine, riboflavin, niacin, vitamin B-6, pantothenic acid, folic acid, biotin, and vitamin B-12), minerals (calcium, phosphorus, magnesium, and iron), trace minerals (zinc, copper, manganese, iodine, selenium, molybdenum, and chromium), electrolytes (sodium, potassium, and chloride), and ultratrace minerals (4). (Note the absence of specific carbohydrates from this list.)

Delicious.

chewmylegoff

bmi is pointless, bodyfat % is more useful to know really.

Louise22

I am overweight, and its not because of a fat gene or any other nonsense like that - its cos I am a greedy b1tch and I eat too much - simple! In my opinion its not rocket science - eat less, exercise more. However, it is applying those that seems to be difficult for me....

I dont believe in "diets" where you cant eat carbs or that tell me what I cant eat...I think most things in moderation are ok. I agree with absolutebounder - the diet industry is just one massive business. If it worked then there would be less fatties (myself included) going around!

Now excuse me while I go and eat a cake...........:P

LeeSouthEast

M, 26, 20.2

lostinrates

Atomised wrote: »

I'm on medication that causes weight gain (I sometimes skip it for this reason) and even my consultant agrees that it's an awful side effect when I noticed i'd gained weight without eating/exercising differently. I'm not claiming it magically puts 4 stone on to a person but it does change the way your body reacts to calories and physical movement. I do think some people on this thread are in denial as being overweight is (for 99% of people) caused by eating more than you body needs , the problem is finding a way out of overeating and under exercising which isn't easy in the Western world were food is plentiful and physical activity is easy to avoid. You have to be ready mentally and emotionally before losing weight or it won't work and you'll fall back in to bad habits.

Exactly how I feel. I have not one but three conditions which combine to make me ''hyper fuel efficient'' and its a !!!!!! but thats how it is. I KNOW I cannot eat what other people eat without gaining weight. Although life is unfair, what does crying about that acheive? certainly not weight loss!

So, I accept it. I know the answer for me, having lived for sometime on a very low calorie diet, is upping output: which has been very hard due to one of those pesky medical conditions and pain and movemnet restriction, but exercise for me is now the way to go to help redress the balance of input/output. Its not quick, its not easy, its not what I would choose (if I'm reincarnated I'd like the metabolism of a growing teenage boy please) but its either eating less than normal and trying to up activity, or just getting fatter, and fatter and fatter. My endocrinologist sees more and more of this, he says. A combination of more food being available (previous generations of women might hae made the choice to eat less more easily,) the type of food we eat, the fertility treatment for women with common condition that make us fuel efficient and less fertile...and then hand down these conditions to our daughters... and other things. still: the choices remain the same.

RabbitintheHeadlights

I've no idea what my BMI is, and I'm overweight. I'm dieting and I've taken the time to think about why I comfort eat. What I'm amazed by is the slagging off that people who are trying to improve their weight/fitness are getting here. If someone tells you that they comfort eat when they feel down then what exactly does the responder think that they're going to achieve by slagging them off? Does it give a feeling of power to think that you can f*ck someone's life up for them? I'm horrified that people can be that nasty.

Well done all those that are working hard to get their lives sorted out. And those that are trying to bury them - you should be ashamed of yourselves.

becky_rtw

Sorry this is off topic but, Ab clearly is not a runner...

The body has limited carb stores which are utilised at rates proportional to the intensity of the exercise...carbs are essential to the diet if you are doing any form of exercise (although you use little if you stick to the fat burning zone e.g. walking)

People who are sedentary do need less carbs because they are not burning so much of their stores during normal life - however, these stores will still deplete a small amount and this will need to be replaced through food consumption.

The body is a machine and it needs to be fueled in the right amounts or an imbalance (weight gain, vit deficiency etc) will occur - that means not cutting out some foods completely because some Dr Atkins tells you do - balanced is best!

/carbs rant

absolutebounder

becky_rtw wrote: »

Sorry this is off topic but, Ab clearly is not a runner...

The body has limited carb stores which are utilised at rates proportional to the intensity of the exercise...carbs are essential to the diet if you are doing any form of exercise (although you use little if you stick to the fat burning zone e.g. walking)

People who are sedentary do need less carbs because they are not burning so much of their stores during normal life - however, these stores will still deplete a small amount and this will need to be replaced through food consumption.

The body is a machine and it needs to be fueled in the right amounts or an imbalance (weight gain, vit deficiency etc) will occur - that means not cutting out some foods completely because some Dr Atkins tells you do - balanced is best!

/carbs rant

Great! apart from the fact it is complete rubbish. perhaps you could explain what happens to excess carbs in the body. the body can convert fat protien or carbs to energy.

RichOneday_2

absolutebounder wrote: »

Great! apart from the fact it is complete rubbish. perhaps you could explain what happens to excess carbs in the body. the body can convert fat protien or carbs to energy.

Hmmm interesting!

A couple of points you have made, ab, are a bit puzzling:

1. Fact. there are no essential carbs.

2. what it can are stored as glycogen but only a few minutes worth.

1. The first of these is a very dangerous message to be propagating for a few reasons but, most importantly, when you stop eating carbohydrates the brain stops regulating serotonin levels, a chemical that elevates mood and suppresses appetite. ONLY carbohydrate consumption naturally stimulates production of serotonin.

Serotonin is crucial not only to control your appetite and stop you from overeating; it's essential to keep your moods regulated. Women have much less serotonin in their brains than men, so a serotonin-depleting diet will make women especially feel irritable.

Eating a lot of fat will make you an emotional zombie.

When you take away carbohydrates, it's like taking away water from someone hiking in the desert. If fat is the only alternative for a no- or low-carb dieter to consume to satiate the cravings, it's like giving a beer to the parched hiker to relieve the thirst - temporary relief, but ultimately not effective.

So you may be of the opinion that carbs arent essential but that only holds true if you have a desire to be a non-funtioning human being....ie huge and very moody!:eek:

2. Carbohydrates are indeed stored as glycogen but 'only a few minutes worth'? An average adult human will store approx 2,000 calories in glycogen....enough to run a marathon on. If you can run a marathon in 'a few minutes' I'd like to be your agent.:p