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glowgirl_2

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GotToChange

I didn't know that Dippychick's post had been removed. Good that it has, although now people may not fully understand dizziblonde's upset and anger and my outrage. As DC has now gone to work and db removed herself from the entire forum, the matter may well die down but is a sad reflection of the way in which the seeming anonyminity (sp) can be totally abused.

ab - I am sure you may well be largely right; wieght gain can be a simple matter of the calories in being more than those expended but surely you must admit that other factors can come into play. (I should be pencil thin considering that I many days take in far fewer than 1000 calories but I have totally f-ed up my metabolism so will never again be the size 4 that I was two years ago - nor want to be...) Medications do for sure sometimes play a huge part in affecting weight - and it always seems that they make the patient gain weight rather than lose it.

Besides, I still maintain that weight, like BMI and dress size, is just a number; how a person feels, their health and energy levels and mental well-being are the things that count for more.

GotToChange

GrammarGirl wrote: »

You didn't do anything... did you?! :rotfl:

Are you trying to tell me I should steer clear of this one? Hhmm, you're probably right.

Just checking.

Feel free to "wade in" - I'm willing to bet that you have an opinion

ALR

absolutebounder wrote: »

Sorry just not true. irrespective of a good diet or not they are shovelling in more calories than they are burning. Simple as that

How can you say that though? That 'they' that you refer to was ME at one time me... and I certainly wasn't 'shovelling' in more calories than I was burning. I was at college at the time, going to the gym twice-three times a week, working a very active job in the evenings and most weekends. Eating healthily and still was gaining weight because of the medication that I was on.

As I say, I don't want to get into an arguement, I just wish that people would consider that sometimes people gain weight without doing anything wrong.

absolutebounder

ALR wrote: »

How can you say that though? That 'they' that you refer to was ME at one time me... and I certainly wasn't 'shovelling' in more calories than I was burning. I was at college at the time, going to the gym twice-three times a week, working a very active job in the evenings and most weekends. Eating healthily and still was gaining weight because of the medication that I was on.

As I say, I don't want to get into an arguement, I just wish that people would consider that sometimes people gain weight without doing anything wrong.

You cannot gain weight from something that isnt there. The only thing medication might do is make your body more efficient at absorbing food. Eg some one with half their intestine removed as a result of Chronns disease may eat a lot but it passes straight through whereas some one taking steroids will absorb more and less will pass straight through but at tyhe end of the day if you take in more than you burn it has to be stored. The body cannot store carbs to any great degree (aboiut 15 mins of exercise worth) so it lays this down as fat (mostly triglycerides) excess fat also gets stored as fat
Medicine tends to be quite low in calories.

System

I feel that as fas as things like comfort eating go it is never as simple as "you're just eating too much" there are so many reasons for it, and a lot of those are related to mental health. my own problems with weight are largely down to my depression. Its easy to say eat healthily and do exercise, but when you can't even find the motivation to get out of bed, and you wish you were dead it takes a backburner.

It can go both ways as well. During my earlier depression i had no appetite and that led me to lose a lot of weight by basically never eating. At other times i'll be so wrapped up in self loathing that i'll binge to punish myself.

A l.t of antidepressent medication comes with the warning that it can cause weight gain. I refused one medication because of the increased risk. Hormone treatments can cause weight gain. I put on 4 stone whilst on the injection and i'm now not allowed on it again cos of the risk of weight gain.

absolutebounder

xXMessedUpXx wrote: »

I feel that as fas as things like comfort eating go it is never as simple as "you're just eating too much" there are so many reasons for it, and a lot of those are related to mental health. my own problems with weight are largely down to my depression. Its easy to say eat healthily and do exercise, but when you can't even find the motivation to get out of bed, and you wish you were dead it takes a backburner.

It can go both ways as well. During my earlier depression i had no appetite and that led me to lose a lot of weight by basically never eating. At other times i'll be so wrapped up in self loathing that i'll binge to punish myself.

A l.t of antidepressent medication comes with the warning that it can cause weight gain. I refused one medication because of the increased risk. Hormone treatments can cause weight gain. I put on 4 stone whilst on the injection and i'm now not allowed on it again cos of the risk of weight gain.

There is only one reason really and that is your unconcious mind. meaning if it is more pleasurable for you to eat and put on weight you will and your unconcious mind will help you. when circumstances change and the pain of being overweight outweighs the benefits then unconcious mind will help reduce weight. there is a wghole thread on this about Paul mckennas I can make you thin. unfortunately only a very small percentage of posters if any actually understand Mr mckenna:rotfl:

System

?How can it be because its pleasurable when i've already stated one reason i binge eat to PUNISH myself?

absolutebounder

xXMessedUpXx wrote: »

?How can it be because its pleasurable when i've already stated one reason i binge eat to PUNISH myself?

Simple One is concious and one isnt any conflict between concious thought and unconcious mind will allways be won by the unconcious mind. You have a parts conflict. Its not uncommon in the least. Similar to smoking conciously we all know smoking is bad but unconcious mind sees it (mistakenly) as a protection mechanism against something like stress. Which one wins? The unconcious of course until such time as the unconcious seesa different reason to stop. hence the low effectiveness of patches

Jojo_the_Tightfisted

Amazingly enough, I agree with AB :eek:. I'm fat. I have consistently eaten more than my body needed. When I was on meds, I should have eaten less to compensate for their effect. I didn't. I preferred to eat too much.

There are chemicals secreted in the brain to make you feel better/happier when you have eaten, whether hungry or not. Chocolate is an ideal example of this (although I actually hate the stuff). It's also an effective displacement activity - you can't have a row or tell everyone you feel like you're dying inside if you're quietly cramming in the chip butties.

If it wasn't in some way pleasurable, nobody would choose to eat when suppressing strong emotions. Even proper self harm (no idea what the best descriptor would be, so bear with me) gives the person a kind of reward, or they wouldn't feel compelled to do it. A alcoholic can chuck ten cans of beer down their throat even if they hate the taste of alcohol and know that it is killing them, because they are compelled to seek out that initial reward of the ethanol hitting their brain. If someone really wanted to punish themselves, they would abstain from the detrimental activity and experience the negative emotions they are striving to smother.

What's harder with food is that you have to continue consumption, but change the behavioural responses around it. Pavlov's dogs salivated when a bell was rung, Miss Size 18-32 has to keep putting food into her mouth and swallowing (rarely chewing) all the time it is available - and is usually very anxious if food is present that she is unable to consume unobserved or if there is none available.

I don't give a monkey's if someone feels offended by my existence. Tough. Sometimes the ones who are most offended are those with their own issues around food and feel threatened that seeing someone who is able to eat will impinge on their own self imposed restrictions. Not my problem. If I see someone pathetically emaciated, I feel no urge to insult them or hurl abuse. They would look better with a few good meals inside them, but it's not my problem. I'm not feeling threatened by their issues.

And if someone wants to be a b***** they can go and do it. They're more likely to get an f-off from me than my collapsing into pity, shame, it's-not-fair, poor little ol' me, it's not my fault, the nasty man with the golden M sign made me do it, oh look what you've made me do now, type of reaction.

Which is not an attack on any of the posters on here!!!!! It's my personal opinion of myself !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But I am in no illusions that my present state is the responsibility of anyone other than myself.

But if you wanna be a spiteful wotsit over it, just make sure you are far enough away that I can't flatten your scrawny carcasse!!!!!!!