Tell me why I should buy an iPod over an MP3/MP4 player

Marty_J

Dreamnine wrote: »

With my Sony and Samsung (both of which were cheaper than an i-pod, and offer way more codec support) I don't need i-tunes or any other 'music management' software.

Good for you!

People on audiophile forums don't listen to i-pods. I'm not saying they all have Clips, Sonys, Samsungs, Cowons, iRivers, but none of them takes i-pods even remotely seriously.

They're for idiots and fanboys who don't mind paying extra for processed rubbish.

I've worked in the pro-audio industry for about 10 years now, and I can tell you that self-confessed "audiophiles" (i.e. people who abuse sound), are total morons. These are the same people who thought drawing on a CD with a green marker pen and freezing your power cable would make music sound better.

It's kind of silly to point to people who pay £1,000 for a mains cable as some sort of arbiters of value, now isn't it?

And have a guess what every single producer and mastering engineer I've ever met listens to their music on. Go on. Guess. It'll be fun. Honest.

Jaffa.

Marty_J wrote: »

And have a guess what every single producer and mastering engineer I've ever met listens to their music on. Go on. Guess. It'll be fun. Honest.

Speakers?

Marty_J

Jaffa. wrote: »

Speakers?

We call them "monitors".

Dreamnine

Marty_J wrote: »

Good for you!



I've worked in the pro-audio industry for about 10 years now, and I can tell you that self-confessed "audiophiles" (i.e. people who abuse sound), are total morons. These are the same people who thought drawing on a CD with a green marker pen and freezing your power cable would make music sound better.

It's kind of silly to point to people who pay £1,000 for a mains cable as some sort of arbiters of value, now isn't it?

And have a guess what every single producer and mastering engineer I've ever met listens to their music on. Go on. Guess. It'll be fun. Honest.

I-pods at best sound very average. People with any sense buy Sony, Cowon, Sansa, Samsung because they're cheaper, don't need software and are free from any kind of proprietary evils.

You're a f*cking idiot, Marty, who, judging by the amount of time and sheer number of posts doesn't have much to do.

custardy

Dreamnine wrote: »

I-pods at best sound very average. People with any sense buy Sony, Cowon, Sansa, Samsung because they're cheaper, don't need software and are free from any kind of proprietary evils.

You're a f*cking idiot, Marty, who, judging by the amount of time and sheer number of posts doesn't have much to do.

are all those sensible people controlling their non ipods through their car stereos?

Marty_J

Dreamnine wrote: »

I-pods at best sound very average.

I'm willing to bet you'd be unable to tell the difference. The type of player is way down the list when it comes to what makes a difference to sound quality.

People with any sense buy Sony, Cowon, Sansa, Samsung because they're cheaper, don't need software and are free from any kind of proprietary evils.

All those players are proprietary, and Sony are the most proprietarily-obsessed company on the planet. Holding them up as a beacon of interoperability is a joke.

Those companies also have models that are more expensive than iPods.

All of them also require software. How do you think you put music on them? Magic? Pixie dust? Rubbing them against the radio when a song you like comes on?

You're a f*cking idiot, Marty, who, judging by the amount of time and sheer number of posts doesn't have much to do.

Thanks! :j

Jaffa.

Dreamnine wrote: »

People with any sense buy Sony, Cowon, Sansa, Samsung because they're cheaper, don't need software and are free from any kind of proprietary evils.

Really?

I could have sworn Sony have their own little rootkit on music CD's they produced.

davester

Marty_J wrote: »

All of them also require software. How do you think you put music on them? Magic? Pixie dust? Rubbing them against the radio when a song you like comes on?

What its not magic, The guy at currys told me the music sounded magic from MP3 players. Next you will be telling me that mobile phones don't use spiders silk to transmit my voice to other peoples phones?

asininity

Leopard wrote: »

That was precisely my point: you "think"; but, from experience (of which you have none) they know.

How exactly would "they" KNOW without having EXPERIENCED (of which they/you have none) what I KNOW.

By this argument. you are saying you would buy whatever computer was the cheapest and endure the operating system that runs on it.

No is has nothing to do with the operating system, just the cost. My last buy was a laptop without an OS, nothing to endure there.

Pretty sure I never mentioned anything about operating systems. Are you trying to twist what I said to make a point that has nothing to do with what I said?

Whereas the intelligent (or "sassy" :rolleyes: ) computer user decides what operating system he or she wishes to use and buys a computer that can run it.

Ahh yes. Heres the point which had nothing to do with anything I said.:rolleyes: Don't netbooks run OSX, pretty sure of you actually mentioning that somewhere.

Most people who buy an Apple computer do so because they prefer using Mac OS X to using Windows: they don't buy it because they think it looks nice. Any extra money that that may (or may not) cost them they regard as a price they have to pay to use the operating system of their choice..

Which is the wise way to go about buying a computer.

I buy windows to play games no other OS can. I buy hardware as cheap as I can get provided it can do what I need it too. And I use linux, never had to buy it, because its my favourite OS. Any less wisdom in that?

A man in Exeter who is informed his father is about to die, or his wife is about to give birth prematurely, in Aberdeen can get there in time if he can afford to charter a helicopter.

A jet might be better helicopters aren't that fast.

You will be, if one electrocutes you. :eek:

You've very fond of "guaranteeing" things that you "think".

The only thing you can guarantee about your death is that it will happen.

You seem to be very fond of making things up, speaking of things that are subjective as if they are objective, and apparently "knowing" what I'll be thinking on my deathbed. But whos nit picking;)

Guaranteeing my "thinking" is the only thing I'm comfortable guaranteeing.

Death is the goal of life.

asininity

Marty_J wrote: »

I'm sure Google uses iTunes a lot. What sort of music does Google like?

I always imagined it being an adult contemporary acoustic singer/songwriter sort of search engine.

You'd have to ask google, apparently google likes microsoft more than apple, windows over OSX and even linux over OSX. Check it out

What "evidence" are you talking about?

The vast majority love their ipods and because of that endure itunes the internet is full of these complaints, most stating itunes is trying to do too much, bloated etc. I'm not searching google for you. Try "problems with itunes" and work from there.

Please enlighten me as to why I shouldn't like iTunes, Mr "I've-never-used-it-but-some-people-on-Google-don't-like-it-so-I-don't".

Please marty:rolleyes:. You yourself stated that you know I've used it previously, slowed my computer up no end got rid of it never used it since.

Get is right its: Mr "I've-used-it-in-the-past-it-was-rubbish-never-used-it-since-and-reviews-of-current-versions-convince-me-it-a-good-thing-too"

If you didn't understand the article the first time, read it again. Don't worry, it's free.

Understood it for what it was, it quotes the total amount of one expert. Smacks of cherry picking to prove a point.

Free products, such as Linux, are not beholden to market forces. They don't have to make money in order to survive.

Seem to remember you saying something different in another of our discussions, something about how M$ were stamping it out.

They're in a ruthless price war where the drive to cut prices while still maintaining a profit margin forces them to use ever cheaper components?

Don't some of these cheap components run in macs? Intel? I seem to recall practically every article I read about these warsbenefiting the consumer and (apples power word here) innovation. I'm sure thats why laws exist to stop monopolies and increase competition, why is it M$ keep getting in trouble with the EU? Anti-competitive issues.

And if the flip-flops had cost more than the walking boots, would it have been worthwhile paying extra for them?

Or would you have said they were extortionately priced, and suffered in your hiking boots for the duration of your holiday?

Haha, the above is a non-issue, I wouldn't have bought them, no one buys flip flops that cost £175>. I would have gone to BHS for a cheaper pair.

Because I've never used a cheap computer that wasn't annoying. Life is too short for me to be annoyed every day in an effort to save something so ultimately worthless as money. My happiness is more important.

I'm happy with my cheap computer, never annoys me and I have the satisfaction of not having been ripped off. I'm very happy:beer:

Its opinion so its not right or wrong except in personal circumstance.