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NASA_2

Vicky123 wrote: »

Who cares about the benefit system up against the value of someone's life?
I respect anyone's choice in whether to live or die but don't see why it is brought into the public arena for discussion relating to the benefit system, like it or not other people will be affected, so saying you are not recommending it and then adding on money saved is in itself making an issue out of it.
Vicky

I didnt bring it up a major discussion point -Claire DC decided he/she wanted to discuss it - if its not posted on again then I wont reply (obviously).

Claire_DC

NASA wrote: »

I didnt bring it up a major discussion point -Claire DC decided he/she wanted to discuss it - if its not posted on again then I wont reply (obviously).

I am a SHE... I thought that was quite obvious, with Claire being a girls name and me having my pic in my avatar?

It was you who posted it up, therefore putting it up for discussion in my opinion... don't try and shift things to me please.

alwaysonthego_2

Claire_DC wrote: »

I am sorry if you are going through a rough time, and believe me I know how it feels, but I really think you should think about expressing yourself in a better manner if you don't wish for replies like mine where I/somebody didn't know your situation because of how you have projected yourself on here thus far.

I hope you get your issues sorted out though.

I was not relating to myself as yes I do suffer from depression from time to time, but nothing that is chronic that I would like to take my own life, more feeling sorry for myself. I was relating to NASA's post.

I am always polite to people, but I do have my opinions but I do express them in a way that is not hurtful to others. If other people disagree I do not have a problem as long as they do not say it in away that is personal otherwise i will retaliate.

You will find I am a poster that will stand up for other poster's and also stand up for what I beleive in.

alwaysonthego_2

Claire_DC wrote: »

Fair enough, but I posted mine without knowing your situation and could only base my post on how you had conducted yourself on here. No malice was meant by it, unlike some of your posts it seems.

As I explained before I was not talking about myself but another poster. I am up for a debate and certainly not going to hold it against somebody if they disagree. Wouldn't it be boring if we all had the same opinion. (though the people who do have the same opinion as me are far from boring, you know who you are ).

I have not caused any malice, so I am not sue what you are getting at?

Claire_DC

alwaysonthego wrote: »

I was not relating to myself as yes I do suffer from depression from time to time, but nothing that is chronic that I would like to take my own life, more feeling sorry for myself. I was relating to NASA's post.

I am always polite to people, but I do have my opinions but I do express them in a way that is not hurtful to others. If other people disagree I do not have a problem as long as they do not say it in away that is personal otherwise i will retaliate.

You will find I am a poster that will stand up for other poster's and also stand up for what I beleive in.

I apologise for getting names and posts mixed up then... I have my nephew with me and he is talking to me whilst I posted. I go shopping with him and forget most of what I went in for... he's lovely but does love to talk.

alwaysonthego_2

Claire_DC wrote: »

I apologise for getting names and posts mixed up then... I have my nephew with me and he is talking to me whilst I posted. I go shopping with him and forget most of what I went in for... he's lovely but does love to talk.

That is fine (I was eating noodles whilst my dd was tickling my feet (don't ask ) hence the spelling mistakes).

May there be plenty of disagreements ahead

Claire_DC

alwaysonthego wrote: »

As I explained before I was not talking about myself but another poster. I am up for a debate and certainly not going to hold it against somebody if they disagree. Wouldn't it be boring if we all had the same opinion. (though the people who do have the same opinion as me are far from boring, (you know who you are ).

I have not caused any malice, so I am not sue what you are getting at?

I agree on that... a debate is always good, and apologies again for getting posters/posts mixed up.

I didn't imply any malice was in your post hun - the malice I thought was in the post about scrapping bus passes completely as that person had no use for them and thus did not care, and getting on 3 stops earlier to get a seat instead of an elderly person getting it - which now seems it was not your post).

NASA_2

Claire_DC wrote: »

It's not unselfish, believe me... my cousin hung herself a few years ago and the family were left reeling. Her mum died a year later. It's because of this that I realised that this was not a way out, and it was the 'easy' way out for those ending things but not for those who were left behind. Also, whilst you may save the money in benefits or whatever, your family will have to find money to pay for a funeral, the cost of the police, ambulance and hospital services will still be used on your case.. and even more so as the police will have to get to the bottom of what happened.

Also, what about the person that finds you after you have ended your life early? Have you thought about what it could do to them? They could end up on benefits from the trauma of finding you, and your family could also suffer and end up on benefits too... no money saved there then... possibly even more being spent to be honest as you'll still have had all your medical costs paid for on top of everything too. Suicide is not an econoomy option both in financial and emotional terms.

Also, you seem like you're planning this for in the future... who is to say you won't get better? I really hope you do to be honest. x

The reason I am waiting and not doing anything now is for one of the reasons you state - family - they wont have to deal with anything whether that be emotional or financial.

A year on means tested benefits is worth £3343.60 (At the minute) - I am certain that I can carry out my plan and cost less than that. I have savings/investments that will cover costs anyway and I will make provisions in my will for costs to be covered or if that isnt possible I will just make lump sums available to the authorites affected.

What is to say I wont feel this way 'when the time comes'?

While anything is possible I've felt this way for more than half my life, my first attempt coming before I was a teenager, so I tend to think it will never go away.

Claire_DC

alwaysonthego wrote: »

That is fine (I was eating noodles whilst my dd was tickling my feet (don't ask ) hence the spelling mistakes).

May there be plenty of disagreements ahead

I'll drink to that! :beer:

alwaysonthego_2

NASA wrote: »

The reason I am waiting and not doing anything now is for one of the reasons you state - family - they wont have to deal with anything whether that be emotional or financial.

A year on means tested benefits is worth £3343.60 (At the minute) - I am certain that I can carry out my plan and cost less than that. I have savings/investments that will cover costs anyway and I will make provisions in my will for costs to be covered or if that isnt possible I will just make lump sums available to the authorites affected.

What is to say I wont feel this way 'when the time comes'?

While anything is possible I've felt this way for more than half my life, my first attempt coming before I was a teenager, so I tend to think it will never go away.

Although I do not agree with all your posts, I do have great respect for you!

Hopefully you will find peace with yourself and get the help when you feel ready. MSE would not be the same without you!