Refused booze in tesco again

vyle

Bamber19 wrote: »

No it hasn't. The reality is that when someone is caught selling to a minor, sweet FA happens to them.

The policy goes over the top. Staff posters on here talk about how it isn't a hassle to bring an ID with you... of course it isn't, but when you ahve your 13 year old son with you you can't bring along an ID for him when you put a bottle of wine in with your shopping. In addition, despite the fact that, as above, sweet FA happens when selling to a minor, in the situation where someone sells to an adult who has a child with them there is simply no way prosecution could be justified.

If you read any of my previous posts, you'd have noticed that I also disagree with sales being refused to parents who are with their children, but that's completely different to somebody buying it on their own who can't/refuses to produce ID.

sarahg1969 wrote: »

Ah, but has anyone ever been fined for selling alcohol to someone who is over 18 but under 25? Hmm.

And if you can't tell the difference between a young-looking 40 year old, and an old-looking 17 year old, then you clearly need some training.

Those age ranges are extreme and no, nobody has ever been fined for selling to someone who is over 18 because 18 is the minimum legal age for purchasing alcohol. If somebody sees an ID and refuses somebody for being under 25, they're clearly screwed in the head.

Why do people find think 25 so confusing? :mad:

pulliptears

icequeen1969 wrote: »

wow im confused, so many people broke, skint and looking to save cash..but so many buying alcohol and ciggies1 whats all this about. booze is and has been for ages the last thing on my shopping list in this credit crunch.
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You don't have to be broke or skint to visit a money saving site you know

loracan1

The difficulty in judging age isn't particularly that people look younger - a lot of sixteen/seventeen year olds can look a darn sight older than they are...

Gordon861

Doom_and_Gloom wrote: »

For the record I don't shop it Tesco as there are a lot of things they do that I disagree with and I will not fund it.

/signed. I avoid Tescos at all costs, I just can't stand the company.

vyle wrote: »

Why do people find think 25 so confusing? :mad:

It's the 'think' part that confuses them, most people now days seem incapable of doing it and it's not exactly encouraged in people either.

sarahg1969

Gordon861 wrote: »

/signed. IIt's the 'think' part that confuses them, most people now days seem incapable of doing it and it's not exactly encouraged in people either.

I agree. They seem able to "think" as far as a person might possibly look as young as 25 (because that's what they've been told to "think" about), when in fact they are possibly/probably older, but can't then think any further than that, ie that they can't possibly be a minor.

Enterprise_1701C

I don't sell alcohol, but I do sell cigarettes where I work.

What I find really amusing is when I ID someone, and they hand over the ID I then read their DOB and they are under age. One young lad (OK - he was 17) looked truely shocked that I had actually checked the details, and there was a young girl that came in on Monday whom I IDd and refused, she said "but it's only a month" (she's 18 middle of next month), I had to avoid laughing while I replied that she was underage whether it was a month, a year, or even a day!

I have to say though, the impression I get is that a lot of people just don't check the details.

pulliptears

Jane_Blackford wrote: »

I don't sell alcohol, but I do sell cigarettes where I work.

What I find really amusing is when I ID someone, and they hand over the ID I then read their DOB and they are under age. One young lad (OK - he was 17) looked truely shocked that I had actually checked the details, and there was a young girl that came in on Monday whom I IDd and refused, she said "but it's only a month" (she's 18 middle of next month), I had to avoid laughing while I replied that she was underage whether it was a month, a year, or even a day!

I have to say though, the impression I get is that a lot of people just don't check the details.

I dont think a lot of shop assistants do check. Prime example, was in a B&M store the other week where chip and pin hasnt yet reached, OH paid on card, assistant went through the motions of checking the sig etc but I realised she hadn't actually looked at all when I noticed OH's sig has completely worn off the card strip and it was blank!

pulliptears

I've just nipped over to Tesco with DD (almost 12) to get a few things, on the way out I called at the cigarette counter and decided to buy a lucky dip (I virtually NEVER play the lottery). Anyway, I have 2 bags of shopping in one hand, my handbag and purse in the other and I'm trying to sort things out when the cashier hands me the lottery ticket. I pass it to DD saying "just hold me that for a sec". Cashier then says unless I take it from DD now she will refuse to sell to me. Moot point really as I have already paid for it!
But come on! The woman can see I'm struggling and creates a fuss over an 11 year old HOLDING a lottery ticket?!

I give up.

Bamber19

vyle wrote: »

Why do people find think 25 so confusing? :mad:

It's not so much that people find it confusing. It is quite a clear policy and easy to understand. It's simply a case of thinking it isn't a good policy and not agreeing with it.

What is wrong with keeping the policy as the same unwritten one we had for years..."think 18" whereby if you think, or have reasonable doubt, that someone may be under 18 you challenge them for ID. However, if you look at someone and think "That person looks 24" where is the sense in ID'ing them? You believe them to be at least 6 years older than they need to be to buy this alcohol yet ask them for ID anyway? Silly, silly policy, all that was really needed was to drum it in to employees that if they think someone may be too young to buy alcohol or borderline 18 then challenge them for ID instead of this blanket policy of ID'ing someone you believe to be so much older than they need to be to buy it

qw3rt7

These two policies are justified, and in principle should work. All major alcohol retailers are under immense pressure at the moment. Especially the supermarkets who sell large quantities at a LOSS, which we all love!

1st think 25 - this is a very simple, soon to be universal (amongst large retailers anyway) idea. It is about adding a margin of error to the process, as believe it or not, some check out staff are not the most perceptive of people.
Sure the majority of staff are, but then again it can be very hard to guess an age (read the section in Doom_and_Glooms post about staff using 'common sense' to serve her at 15!! lol), i am 26 and would not serve myself, where as some of my brothers friends looked about 30 at the age of 16!!
Besides, the retailers cant say "you are a bit thick, so challenge everyone, you are pretty bright, so use your judgment" can they!

2nd is the accompanying minors policy. This is less clear cut, but the retailers have a duty to show they have taken reasonable precautions to stop adults buying alcohol for minors. This is a legal requirement, but is obviously much harder to implement.
To all the posters who have had problems whilst with their 10 - 17yr olds, i agree its frustrating, but unfortunately there are many parents who will happily assist their youngster to get plastered in the park!

The major issue is and always will be a combination of training and staff aptitude. The amount of times ive had store policy misquoted as 'THE LAW' is huge, and very annoying. But then again, how many multinational companies who employe at around minimum wage do you know who dont get complaints about their staff? When you have 10,000 odd (figure completely made up btw) posts to fill at £6ph you will not always get the best of the best!!

As an amusing side point, last time i saw tesco policy regarding solvents, it had a list of ways to identify a solvent abuser, and then recommends asking for ID, and refusing a sale if necessarily. So next time you get checked, you can ask the member of staff whether they think you are under age, or just a glue sniffer!