Refused booze in tesco again

carolinosourus

That's a bit strange, the passport should have been out of date then and presumably not valid as ID as people under either 16 or 18 (or maybe even 21, I really can't remember offhand) have to have their passports renewed every 5 years in order to prevent problems with picture ID, it's only when you become an adult that your passport is valid for 10 years.

The reasoning is that you change so much in 5 years when you're young (look at the difference between a 12 year old and a 17 year old) but when you reach "adulthood" there isn't so much change in your face so it's not necessary to change the picture so often.

I just have something to add, I was with my boyfriend in Morrison's (I refuse to shop there now), he was paying for the shopping, I knew I wasn't so didn't have my wallet, a bag, anything with me. We bought a bottle of wine and the person on the checkout ID-ed him, then asked me for ID. I said I didn't have any with me as I wasn't the one paying for the shopping and the checkout person then said that they couldn't serve us. I asked why, as I wasn't the one paying for the shopping, they didn't really have an answer to that one and eventually decided to put it through. That really annoyed me. Also, I'm a 23-year old female and I find that if I have a female checkout assistant they will ALWAYS ID me, and the guys don't. They always seem a little annoyed when I produce my ID too, it's like they're on a power trip or something...

sarahg1969

carolinosourus wrote: »

That's a bit strange, the passport should have been out of date then and presumably not valid as ID as people under either 16 or 18 (or maybe even 21, I really can't remember offhand) have to have their passports renewed every 5 years in order to prevent problems with picture ID, it's only when you become an adult that your passport is valid for 10 years.

The reasoning is that you change so much in 5 years when you're young (look at the difference between a 12 year old and a 17 year old) but when you reach "adulthood" there isn't so much change in your face so it's not necessary to change the picture so often.

You can renew a child's passport after 5 years for an extra 5 years, and I don't think you have to update the photo.

BargainGalore

I wish I could get refused being served alcohol I would regard it as a complement

vyle

sarahg1969 wrote: »

But there's a vast difference between looking as young as 25 and looking as old as 25, isn't there?

You might come across a youthful-looking 40 year old, but surely, common sense tells you that, even though they might look young for their age, perhaps even as young as 25, there's no way on earth they are under 18?

It's astonishing that all of these shop staff really don't seem to get it.

Yes, there are times when somebody is clearly over 18, but what don't you get about "it's not worth the risk."

I look about 19, but am 24.

My friend's 16 year old brother looks about 21.

If you were in the position of a shop worker and had ANY seed of doubt in your mind, are you saying you wouldn't ask for ID? Thinking "well, they look old enough" has landed a lot of people with fines, a criminal record and cos them their job.

As a result, a lot, quite rightly so, elect to just ID everybody, just the same as they do in america (and nobody objects there, because it's common and everybody gets IDd).

Is it really TOO HARD for you to open your wallet and pull out a piece of plastic that has your date of birth on it?

That's what I find most ridiculous.

Whenever I have seen them do it on TV they have always said that they have to use people that look their age not someone who looks older but isn't. There also not allowed to lie so if you asked them their age they have to say 16/17 or whatever not 18+.

Where I work, every store is now being test shopped because somebody who had had age restricted sales training that day sold a 16 year old a knife because they thought they looked old enough and a bunch of other shops failed, too.

I assumed it's trading standards doing the checks, but might be an internal thing.

I know on TV they seem to use 5 year olds.

It might be my shop's internal people rather than trading standards who are using people who look older, to prove a point. I've not been test shopped yet, though.

Gordon861

The best way to deal with these stores that are being awkward is to make sure you do a large shop when you buy the booze, if they refuse to sell it to you just leave the whole trolley of shopping on the counter and walk out.

Also if you are paying by credit card you must be over 18 anyways so no ID should be required, unless they believe you are using someone elses credit card in which case they should be calling the police as well.

justontime

melorablack wrote: »

The same thing happened to my OH last night, except he was the person serving.

Some guy came in with a passport with a date of birth saying 1990 - so he would be 18/19 now. However the passport was 9 years old so the kid in the picture was about 10.

OH couldn't serve this guy because he couldn't say that the kid in the picture was the same person as the teenager standing in front of him.

A child passport only lasts for 5 years and you can not get an adult passport until your next renewal after your 16th birthday. So if the passport was about 9 years old and issued when the child was about 10 it would have expired 4 years ago! If so I can understand why it would not be accepted as ID.

mishkanorman

vyle wrote: »

Yes, there are times when somebody is clearly over 18, but what don't you get about "it's not worth the risk."

I look about 19, but am 24.

My friend's 16 year old brother looks about 21.

Is it really TOO HARD for you to open your wallet and pull out a piece of plastic that has your date of birth on it?

That's what I find most ridiculous.

As me and quite a few others have pointed out, its not always as easy as producing ID. I had id when i was of an age when i expected to need it.

The 2 examples you have pointed out above were both covered by the think 21 scheme as is good sense, its difficult to pin anyones age down to a year so a bit of leeway is helpful. However VERY rarely do 17 year olds look 25 and 25 year olds look 17.

I work in a pub and i too could face a fine however im not chicken little and apply a bit of common sense on things :rolleyes: which is pretty much anyone here is asking !

mishka

before_hollywood

mishkanorman wrote: »

vyle wrote: »

Yes, there are times when somebody is clearly over 18, but what don't you get about "it's not worth the risk."

I look about 19, but am 24.

My friend's 16 year old brother looks about 21.

Is it really TOO HARD for you to open your wallet and pull out a piece of plastic that has your date of birth on it?

That's what I find most ridiculous.

As me and quite a few others have pointed out, its not always as easy as producing ID. I had id when i was of an age when i expected to need it.

The 2 examples you have pointed out above were both covered by the think 21 scheme as is good sense, its difficult to pin anyones age down to a year so a bit of leeway is helpful. However VERY rarely do 17 year olds look 25 and 25 year olds look 17.

I work in a pub and i too could face a fine however im not chicken little and apply a bit of common sense on things :rolleyes: which is pretty much anyone here is asking !

mishka

i'm 28 and they still ask me, ironically my 25 year old housemate and her 20 year old brother can buy booze for me with no hassle :eek:

good job i have online shopping :rotfl:

melorablack

justontime wrote: »

A child passport only lasts for 5 years and you can not get an adult passport until your next renewal after your 16th birthday. So if the passport was about 9 years old and issued when the child was about 10 it would have expired 4 years ago! If so I can understand why it would not be accepted as ID.

I've just asked OH and he said he didn't even look at the expiry date or issue date...he could just see a mile off that there was an adult standing in front of him and a kid in the picture :rotfl: the bloke was genuinely shocked my OH couldn't accept it! :wall:

Bamber19

vyle wrote: »

If you were in the position of a shop worker and had ANY seed of doubt in your mind, are you saying you wouldn't ask for ID? Thinking "well, they look old enough" has landed a lot of people with fines, a criminal record and cos them their job.

No it hasn't. The reality is that when someone is caught selling to a minor, sweet FA happens to them.

The policy goes over the top. Staff posters on here talk about how it isn't a hassle to bring an ID with you... of course it isn't, but when you ahve your 13 year old son with you you can't bring along an ID for him when you put a bottle of wine in with your shopping. In addition, despite the fact that, as above, sweet FA happens when selling to a minor, in the situation where someone sells to an adult who has a child with them there is simply no way prosecution could be justified.

If the doubt that apparently exists in this situation was a strong reality then all alcohol should not be able to be sold to anyone because "they might be taking it home/outside to give to a child" it's simply ridiculous and it's wholly unreasonable to assume that alcohol is being bought for the child, ergo on the balance of probabilities when an adult is buying alcohol, he/she is buying it for themselves and or their adult friends.

On the other hand it's all being taken too seriously anyway, stop putting alcohol up on a pedestal like a forbidden fruit and maybe you wont get so many kids guzzling vodka at the weekend.