Can noise from kids be anti social behaviour?

tbw

Ivory_Tinkler wrote: »

Well said hippyadam - there are lots of lovely kids out there just having fun. Unfortunately, just having fun is often seen as being criminal by some folk which is very sad.

Having fun is fine - no reasonable person would want to stop a child doing that. But if that 'fun' is so loud and disruptive that it is causing other people distress then it needs to be toned down ! I'm not anti -child but I really don't see why so many people with children reckon that everyone else has to put up with whatever their children do ! A bit of noise is inevitable but constant screaming and really inconsiderate behaviour etc is unacceptable. If children don't learn consideration they will grow into the mouthy, unpleasant 'I can do just as I s****** well like!' adults that intimidate others with their behaviour.

janninew

Perhaps we need some child free neighbourhoods?? We have lots of retirement villages where i live, my Nan lives in one, and its lovely and peaceful! So why not child free neighbourhoods!

worbikeman

When I was a kid (back in the stone age), an old lady who lived on her own used to shout at us to "go and play up your own end!". Then she would talk to the stairs:rotfl:. If we gave her any lip it would be: "We know who your fathers are!".
Not much of a threat these days I grant you....

LemonGrove

frivolous_fay wrote: »

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/wdp/news/ahead-Mosquito-noise-devices-Fairfield-High-School-s-vandal-hit-pitches/article-1011222-detail/article.html

While I am sure you would love to have those things everywhere, I am 17 and cannot hear it no can many others of such age, it only works properly on a much lower range that what they say. And even then many aren't bothered by it. When I was still at school they trialled them there for effectiveness and opinions etc, most of our year simply didn't hear anything. And before you say it, no it isn't because my hearing is damaged because of my headphones - I don't have an MP3 player.

kevinyork

Poppy1234 I really sympathise with you....that sounds like hell. Maybe all those who say 'its just kids playing' may think twice after reading your post. When does 'kids just playing' become a social nuisance? There has to be a cut off.

As each summer day goes by in our street, the noise is pushed ever higher and higher and later and later and more kids join the existing kids seeing our road as a great playground. Last night, I even noticed that the original neighbours kids that live on the street were taken indoors as newer (older) kids had almost taken the road over. We had 15 of them on bikes at one point driving across and down drives, through bushes and between cars. How joyful these children can be.

maggie111 wrote: »

You'd be surprised at how estate agents sell it as a bonus for family properties all these kids running about! And plenty of people have a car for tinkering with. Worth thinking about - and don't forget, your house may be valued for less, but as long as you're not in negative equity your next house will be reduced in price too, so you lose nothing in this economy

Ok, yes for some, a place where kids play in the street may be a bonus but for what I think is a majority of house hunters for them to wade through groups of screaming kids just to view our home will almost certainly be a turn off. So as well as suffering a drop in house prices like everyone else we have to take a further 'hit' because of noisy kids? Doesnt seem fair to me. 'plenty of people have a car for tinkering with'.... absolutely but....'plenty of people dont have a rusty old delapidated transit van which is stuffed full of rubbish front and rear and is worked on until late in the evening causing further noise'.

Anthillmob

mommyme wrote: »

yes it is - my neighbours sons have asbos slapped on them for being a nuicence (spelling?) and they arent allowed out after 8pm now hehehehe from what i gather there was a number of complaints against them and a few "logs" of times and what they were doing etc - get in touch with council and speak to them about it

im wondering if this is the reason for a very quiet 'summer holiday' so far. last year there were kids tearing up and down our dul-de-sac [sic] who live in the next road. this year, zilch.

wouldnt suprise me, we have moved into chavsville so an asbo or 2 on the neighbourhood kids wouldnt be no great suprise.

pixieface_3

Lip_Stick wrote: »

There's a sparrow.. which, every bloody morning chirps from 5.30am on the corner of the roof... constantly. Do you think it'd be in my human rights to pellet the thing, then make a very small pie out of it? It drives me crackers!

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:love this !!!

slimgym

I was really interested to see the OP because we have the same here, again on a "new estate". They design out crime so everything gets overlooked with lots of cul-de-sacs to limit boy racers and make for a kid friendly environment.

This summer the screaming has been terrible and just started from nowhere. My garden backs onto a communal parking area with houses either side of it which is where the kids play (yep, in a car park, how glamorous!). By 6pm there can be 8 kids there shouting and screaming at each other. We go out most evenings to get away from it. The parents gave them a flute or something the other day and the monotone of that being blown at full lungs is ridiculous!

Why don't (some) parents watch over their kids playing and correct any behaviour like this these days? There's not a single parent of the playing kids watching what's going on.

If my music were loud enough to reach into their living rooms at the same volume no doubt the council would act, but because the kids noise is outside it's not within their remit.

I also work shifts and attempting to sleep at 2pm when the "screaming contest" is in full flow is impossible, especially when it's hot and you need windows open.

I feel so desperately powerless and we're looking at moving now, but it might just be from one bad thing to another! I've been here long enough to have bought the house at a sensible price, now I couldn't get a mortgage big enough. So you have an expensive house I can't now afford and it's still not peaceful!

slimgym

Oh, and I know a lot of people have said "the kids are only playing, what's your problem". I don't care about the playing, that's fine, it's the screaming and shouting that's unbearable.

Surely the right to peace and quiet is greater than the the right of screaming and shouting? After all, those who chose to scream and shout can also chose to be quiet. Those being subjected to it have no choice but to put up with it

Retrod

The right to quiet enjoyment is sacrosanct. The rise of noise and anti-social activity with children over the years is a direct result of parental self-righteousness, and poor, inattentive parenting. This is comcommitant with municipal governemnts across North America coming to grips with the quality of life within communities and passing local resolutions and bylaws for effective reduction of noise driven pollution and contained community standards.

Bylaws that deal with both noise and activity of children on the street is often for the protection of children, as well as a thought out community strategy. With a plethora of sizeable parking lots, church yards, playgrounds, school yards, and soccer and baseball fields, there still remains a number of children at risk on the street.

Roads are made of car, trucks, motorcycles, regulation bicycles, and modes of licensed vehicles. Not toys. As parent soften "train" their children to play on the street and offset their responsibility to supervise their children, the risk becomes inevitable. That much is obvious. Traumatic injury and accident issues surrounding children is a direct result of parental inatteniveness. Placing a child on the street for recreational purposes who remains unattended and at risk of local and other traffic, is a direct form of abuse. If you know your underaged son and daughter are in an environment that has been designated as putting someone at risk, deliberately, that is abuse.

The unrestrained noise that children emit is a direct result of poor parental supervision. Commando parenting as proposed by Dr. Phil reveals the dedication that parents must attend in order to be the least bit effective. Parents of very noisy children are ineffective, perhaps lazy. We see by a surveys of websites like this and the research of people involved in pedagogy and child psychology, disruptive, noisy freelancing children are endeavouring on a career of anti-social behavior, with their parents consent, of course.

Delightfully, a review of surveys and websites reveal this predictability with the coincidence of posted comments that read near identically like: children=noise, get ear plugs, I love my noisy children, I love children, people who don't like noise are ..., it's a fact of life, get used to it, etc.

At face value, it becomes obvious these comments come from people who will not make an effort either for the quality of life in their community, or for the personal standards of their children. The more honest comments should read: "I can't control my children", thank God they are out of the house so I can have a break, "I want my children to grow up to be insensistive social pigs", "somehow having children makes me special, so I don't have to be responsible for their actions"...how Christian.

If you child is hit by an automobile while playing on the street, who at fault? The child? The driver? Perhaps, but certainly the intent of the parent was to let their child be exposed on a road where, believe it or not, traffic exists. It is at this point that Child and Family Services should be involved to be removed from this risk vis-a-vis abuse. It seems that saying go outside and play darling, really means deep down, go out on the street and dodge traffic because I'm too lazy to look after you. So when someone suggests that children=noise, it can be asserted that logically children=road play=traffic-accident or death. Not every car on every street
cannot be accounted for it's origin nor location. Yet, a child knowingly playing on a street is a preventable death, but only if a parent isn't lulled into complacency by habit nor laziness.

Children playing on the street is indefensible. Children using footballs on the street today, will equal children bullying on the street next year, may equal anti-social behavior on the street in a few years from now. Juvenile and criminality studies have exposed such chronology, and lazy parents down deep know this issue. Saying I love children is actually saying I don't care and I don't plan on changing my complacent behavior so let the kids scream or play on the street, or play on the interstate.

Loud, rambuncious, destructive, inconsolable, erratic and nomadic children behave, and only behave as to how thier parents allow them, or train them to behave. Their future is obvious. Get them out of the traffic, let their brains develop as a result of education and literacy, not erratic screaming, pall mall ranting, and by being verbally abusive.

Next time a parent says that their loud, screaming children is eqivalent to children will be children, look them straight in the eye and accuse them of being poor parents on the brink of being abusive. Proper child rearing is an active process that sets boundaries...poor child raising is seen through noisy, erratic, and foul mouth kids. The truth is evident. Some parents need to grow up, their children are a reflection of them.