Gave dog back to breeder, refusing to give money back

Frugalista

mattuk80 wrote: »

Frugalista, I see you have taken an enthusiastic and comprehensive interest to this thread No more than any other poster who has replied and made a few "interesting" points. The only point I have endeavoured to emphasise is that neither you, or your mother have had any direct contact with the actual breeder of the pup since asking her to take the pup back :rolleyes: Regarding your request for clarification. I at no point have spoke to the breeder or her friend who own the stud dog used for the breeding and who my mother and father spoke to except for "hello" when assisting my mother return the dog to the breeders friend. Which is all I was trying to establish .

My mother who has been stressed and emotional (don't think I mentioned confused, not sure whether you've just assumed that?) Yes, I assumed that having booked a puppy, waited 10 weeks to collect it, kept it for 2 days, "not enjoyed the experience" and returned it that she was, indeed, confused. Fact remains that, undoubtably, the pup is extremely confused and stressed. I suspect the breeder is too :rolleyes:. spoke to the breeder on Thursday when enquiring about the returning of the dog. At the point my understanding, having spoken to my mother shortly afterwards, was that she was returning the dog and the breeder had offered to refund the money (not sure if she mentioned specifically the full £500 or a partial refund) when she managed to resell it. Having returned the dog to the breeders friend as requested by the breeder as she was/is apparently going on holiday, I told my mother the main importance was her getting better and to forget about the money for a couple of weeks Absolutely! (I hope you're understanding so far Frugalista). Of course I am - it's not exactly rocket science is it? Why the sarcasm? :rotfl:The next communication was when my mother answered her mobile phone on Saturday having checked the caller display and seen it was the breeder. She was surprised it was not the breeder on the phone but her friend (the owner of the puppy's father) who said she was acting on behalf of the breeder. I assume the breeder was on holiday, obviously didn't take her phone with her? Not sure why she felt the need to ring, anyway she told my mum that the breeder did not have time to sell the dog and my mum would not be getting a refund. I know this as my mother told me later when I spoke to her (don't think she got the coneversation on tape or anything like that). No, of course not - don't believe any of us thought she worked for MI5 Again, why the sarcasm? No more communication since then. Frugalista - analyse what you like from the above information, but no need to ask me anymore questions as I will not be answering, a waste of my time. I'm not sure I understand why you are being so petulant and defensive :rolleyes2. I am not analyzing anything, merely pointing out (as you have since confirmed) that neither you or your mother have spoken directly to the breeder :wall:.

I was simply trying to establish all the facts - something, I believe you should do, before coming on a public forum and slating this person, who may still be totally unaware of what is going on. The last communication your mother had with her, she stated that she would return any monies after the pup is re-sold. This may, indeed, still be the case - making all the preceding posts nothing more than a load of hot air :whistle:

Thank you everyone for your useful advice, as I posted earlier I think its best putting this down as an expensive mistake. I think so too Regards Matt

Matt, I'm sorry if you think that trying to see both sides is unacceptable and that I have offended you by trying to do so, but I happen to believe in fair play - and I make no apologies for that!

I hope you get this resolved. Perhaps, when the breeder has returned from her holiday, you could update us :wave:

gratefulforhelp_2

Simon_P wrote: »

Why? Don't they have Pedigree's in rescue centres then?

I think what Lowis was saying was that rescue centres can be more careful about where a dog is homed than some breeders.

3_cheeky_princesses

Frugalista wrote: »

Matt, I'm sorry if you think that trying to see both sides is unacceptable and that I have offended you by trying to do so, but I happen to believe in fair play - and I make no apologies for that!

I hope you get this resolved. Perhaps, when the breeder has returned from her holiday, you could update us :wave:

Well said. :T For all we know the breeder is on holiday hasnt a clue whats going on and it will all be sorted when she/he gets back. They havent had a chance to do anything if they are away on holiday when the pup was returned or shortly there after. I feel the OP and his mother have jumped on the bandwagon and obviously act very impulsively hence why they brought the puppy and got theirselves into this mess in the first place.

DKLS

I think the OP and the mother should drop any claim for monies owed in a refund and focus their attentions on seeking help for the anxiety and panic issues which to be are more important than a few quid.
Ask your GP if there is a local IAPT service, or sometimes called Low Intensity CBT service that you can get a referral for.

Frugalista

patchwork_cat wrote: »

I was a cat breeder and it is common practice that in this case there s no refund offered particularly if the animal is not rehomed. Some breeders will refund all but costs incurred which is probably all you would get if you took this legally and only then once the animal is resold. You would be surprised what the costs incurred would be and my bet is that in fact if you took it through a solcitor once the breeder had itemised costs you would probably owe them!!!

If you accept a return the pet will need a vet check and possibly blood testing to check it has not picked anything up. It will need to be isolated from the rest of the kennel and be kept until all blood tests come back fine. The breeder will then have to readvertise the pet and will proably accept a lower price as it wil no longer be a little pup. All this time it is fed, watered,exercised , medicated etc. the breeder could easily add all this up to well over £500

Excellent post! Added to all the above is the further complication of the pup having to go stay with the stud dog owner whilst the breeder is away.

It is quite possible that their home is not set up for a puppy, and it could be quite an inconvenience to have a puppy there at such short notice. The pup will not be able to be left for any great length of time as it will need feeding around 4 times a day. It will also need toileting and playing and/or training and/or entertaining at regular & frequent intervals. The pup will need to be kept separate and secure away from the s/d owners own dogs - so she will probably have to re-jig her usual routine.

She will, possibly, have to re-arrange her own schedule and plans for the next couple of weeks. And she will, more than likely, have some sleepless nights due to a confused and stressed puppy crying and barking at night.

The pup will also be due to get any course of innoculations started - so she may have trips to the vet to factor in (phone calls + petrol + wear & tear on the car + cleaning materials (for the sick, etc :eek:) - it all adds up.

If her costs were to be estimated at £15 per day for the next 14 days (and I'm sure she will deserve every penny of it!!) - thats £210 off any monies owing straight away.

Then there is the re-advertising..... An acquaintance of mine just advertised her last remaining pup in the local newspapers group (3 weekly papers in the area) - it cost her £85 for a small ad in the pets for sale classifieds for 1 week!!! And once you start getting into the specialist canine newpapers and magazines the costs soar.

All of the above (and more) can be deducted from the £500.

Brightness

poet123 wrote: »

We thought about it, more during his teen years when we once heard him say he would move out if we got one for our youngest son;) it seemed an appealing choice some days!!! dog v stroppy teen:D

Hmmmmm, that's given me an idea..... both my boys (23 and 18) show no signs of going anywhere and are both scared of spiders - cousin chased them with a plastic one when they were tiny - maybe I could get a tank of tarantulas..... :rotfl:

gratefulforhelp wrote: »

I think what Lowis was saying was that rescue centres can be more careful about where a dog is homed than some breeders.

They can only try as can some breeders. We had to have one of our dogs pts in february. We'd had him about 3mths when I found out he'd been a Dog's trust dog. I immediately popped down there with him and told them that I now had the dog and the circumstances as to how I came to have him.

They were more than happy for me to keep him and signed him over to me (I know the manager and have done stuff for them so staff have been into my house and know how my animals are treated). The one young lad remembered him & got his records up on screen - he'd been back in FOUR times and the last time they thought he had a home for life - they couldn't believe the state he was in when I took him down & that was after 3mths. After a few more mths I took him back and they wouldn't believe it was the same dog. Sadly, he was only five when he went over the bridge due to a genetic illness that had gotten so bad he had no quality of life but at least he had 3 years of knowing what it was like to be loved.

Anyway, what I'm trying to get at here is that even when people are interviewed and home checked it doesn't always mean that things will be right for that person to have a dog