Blow for sickness benefit claimants

screamer

donaldtramp wrote: »

No I'm not, i'm actually very intelligent. What level of education did you acheive? Tertiary, Secondary or Primary:rolleyes:?

This "government" you are speaking about, this big nasty state, is actually the collection of wills of the people in the UK.
At least it is supposed to be. Clown just seems to do whatever he can to spend all of our cash and future generations cash. But I digress.

Don't people on the "take" or in receipt of benefits realise that is is the goodwill, money and hardwork of others that is feeding/clothing/housing them and allowing them to breed??

This "nasty" governemnt is actually EVERYONE else!!
Benefits claimants survive off the back of hard work of other people.
This is what irks me. It's just, "I'm entitled to this," "I'm entitled to that" without any realisation (or thanks for) the goodwill of other people.
It's an absolute disgrace.

Have a read at this quote from Margaret Thatcher.....
Then get back to me

"I think we've been through a period where too many people have been given to understand that if they have a problem, it's the government's job to cope with it. 'I have a problem, I'll get a grant.' 'I'm homeless, the government must house me.' They're casting their problem on society. And you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It's our duty to look after ourselves and then, also, to look after our neighbour. People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations. There's no such thing as entitlement, unless someone has first met an obligation."


If you have been judged to have enough money, what more do you want,
Some of mine:rolleyes:?

£250 a month for bills? are you having a laugh?

Sorry but you're obviously not as "entitled" to our money as much as you thought you were, eh?

After being brought up in a foster home, not having a school for the first 7 years of my life, my education could have been a little better my friend, but how many spelling mistakes do you find in my posts? I know how to spell "achieve" for a start! And the answer to your question is that I finished further education, and only finished work when I had a seizure at 9pm in the evening in the petrol station that I worked. My boss got rid of me because he knew my illness was dangerous. His own brother died of SUDEP. Ummm, you're telling me I'm not entitled to benefits even though my illness could kill me, without warning, and there isn't a thing in the world that any doctor can do to stop that?

Secondly, without seeing with your own eyes my incontinence, the actual seizures in motion. Unless you know why I have false teeth (I had a seizure and knocked my 4 front teeth clean out and damaged another 2) Unless you're the paramedic who drives the ambulance that takes me to the hospital after 5 grand mal seizures in one day, unless you're my neurologist who says that my quality of life is so good I'm allowed to drive, drink, be in the company of children, cook and bathe alone, unless you're the person I scream at for trying to help me when I'm scared out of my wits, you cannot tell me I'm a sponge.

I do not claim housing benefit or council tax benefit, so the government is £600 a month better off than it was 5 months ago. When I moved in with my boyfriend I contacted the DWP to inform them I was no longer single and they told me it didn't affect my benefits at all. Is it fair that I'm being picked on for being on benefits when there isn't a day goes by where I'm not affected in one way or another by my illness.

I do not claim for free NHS treatment, even though due to my illness I obviously have problems with my teeth, and I have now broken 5 pairs of glasses while having seizures. Oh, and incidentally I haven't had this illness all my life. I was 24 when I started having seizures, so it put the brakes on any of my life plans. Do you still think I'm a pointless waste of resources?

My adopted dad is very proud of me! He spent his whole life helping kids. He says he has never met someone who has been through what I have and I still try to see the good of life. I've enrolled to go to college in September to do Horticulture but there isn't much point as my neurologist wants to operate on one of my tumours and I will need too much time off. I have applied for 4 jobs in the last 3 months and have been told I'm not fit for work by all of them. I already felt like a worthless bit of filth, thanks for making me feel 100 times worse about myself.

Let's hope something like this never happens to you, god knows how you'd cope with the mindset that suddenly having seizures does not change a person's life!!

baileysbattlebus

mbga9pgf wrote: »

It doesnt cover their total bill though does it?

And should it?

Are benefits to be determined by what you have paid in? Pay in nothing - get nothing?

Do we let people live on the streets or starve? Or do we reintroduce the workhouse?

mardatha

Well said Screamer ! there are too many people in here who smugly open their faces and say whatever comes. All the praise for Thatcher and !!!!!ing over the welfare state -- do you people REALLY want to go backwards to the days when children with rickets ran around in bare feet and every town had a workhouse ? Yes, I suppose you do. Only if you or your families arent in it .
Schools dont seem to teach spelling any more. Or the meaning of compassion. All they teach is how to stand on people on the way up the ladder, forgetting that one day you might meet them again on the way down ! Smugness & conceit are never appealing .

Norfolk_Jim

Screamer, I hope then that like me you are a stalwart defender of the NHS. If either of us lived in the USA we would be really screwed big time by medical costs. I could never have afforded the bill to save my wife and child a few years back - but the way things are currently is completely unsustainable. I'm happy to pay taxes to be used in support of real need but theres also a lot of abuse at the moment and it hurts both the genuine cases and the workforce at large

screamer

mbga9pgf wrote: »

Does this person not have a family to help them? Why, with PTSD, 2 brain tumours and epilepsy (if you fall for all of that) would you want to live an independent life? Why do people think they are entitled to something they cant pay for? Surely, if there is an option to live with a family member (Parents especially) then that avenue needs to be explored prior to relying on the state to bail them out. This was the nub of Thatcher's argument; it wasnt each to their own, it was about stronger family bonds, local community especially, rather than an all encompassing big brother government.

I live an independant life because when I was 7 years old, my mother and father abused me and I was placed in "the system". I was then forgotten about by pretty much everyone and although I was adopted at the age of 15, the damage was done.

I'm independant because I have to be. I grew up with my brother and sister. My brother is now dead (suicide) and my sister is engaged to a man who assaulted me when I was 16. My adopted father has just had a heart attack and my mother to be honest is on a different planet since my gran died.

For god's sake, I can't win. I'm being slated for standing on my own two feet, yet it's what people expect me to do and not bother my family who apparently have too many problems of their own. I am 31 you know, not a angst ridden teenager who needs mummy and daddy's help to face up to the harsh reality of the world! I have had counselling, and now the Victim Liaison Unit is helping me as my father is due to be released from prison soon after abusing more children and he wants to find me. I can honestly say with my hand on my heart that things have definately been a lot worse than they are right now!

I did not ask for any of what has happened to me, and I would much rather live without fear, brain tumours and stress, but there isn't a thing I can do about it.

Does that mean I'm not allowed my operation because £20,000 is a lot of money, I wouldn't want to destroy the state of the country!!

SingleSue

donaldtramp wrote: »

Nope,

I'd get NOTHING from the government. I have enough savings to see me through several years without work at my current standard of living.

I have looked after MYSELF, I have provided and saved for MYSELF, I don't expect/wish the government to look after me.
Trust me I'd get nothing for years and years.

Yet what do I get for this carefulness and planning? The joy of paying for losers who haven't.

Magic! don't you just love Clown's socialist state?

Strange that, so did I (ok not quite years but well over a years worth)..until it ran out and I had to claim.

I was also extremely careful with my/our money, never purchased what we couldn't afford to pay out of our savings, never had credit for silly items (come to that, for essentials either!), saved, planned and never thought of a time when the government would have to help us because we were in such a good position. We both worked extremely hard over very many years right from the time we left school (pre children, I would put in 80 hour weeks), in the later years, him during the day whilst I looked after the children, and myself in the evening/night time and he looked after them.

Then he humped my best friend and left me with 3 children, 2 of whom are disabled and an impossibility of working normal hours or finding child minders so I could work normal hours...working term based jobs is an option and one I have been actively pursuing ever since but once you state you are a single parent with disabled children, you are put to the bottom of the list.

So please could you stop the generalisations, not every benefit claimant has wasted their lives, or not put away for their future...there are exceptions.

screamer

Norfolk_Jim wrote: »

Screamer, I hope then that like me you are a stalwart defender of the NHS. If either of us lived in the USA we would be really screwed big time by medical costs. I could never have afforded the bill to save my wife and child a few years back - but the way things are currently is completely unsustainable. I'm happy to pay taxes to be used in support of real need but theres also a lot of abuse at the moment and it hurts both the genuine cases and the workforce at large

I can't slate the NHS. I doubt many of us would be here if it wasn't for them. My new neurologist is great. The last one couldn't speak english, and I didn't speak Greek so we had a problem there. But the NHS are there to save lives, and of course to treat the drunken yobs and junkies of our society, and they do it well. It seems that these people who work only pay my benefits, they don't pay for the NHS which they use, and they obviously don't pay for the crappy government because I'm clearly taking every last penny this country has!!

lemonjelly

Screamer I hope that most reasonable posters have no issues with genuine cases, it is abuse of the system that people have concerns about.

However there is another concern, in as much as some of these people only percieve their perspective as being the right one. You give completely sound reasons for your choices you make. Too many people now do not see organisations such as the nhs, dwp etc as services. Theses services are there to help those in genuine need, and an enlightened society will support those who have such a need. I hope & believe we are in such a society. They are not drains on our tax system (it is the abuse which is the drain). However we need to start to see ourselves not as consumers, especially in relation to these services, but as members of society.

I work with many care leavers, some who have had similar experiences to yours. Some will look for the good, others will see the bad.

You are entitled to your independence, regardless of some of the above comments.

Good luck to you. I take my hat off to you...

screamer

mgba, whatever your name is, you only need to see me to know something is wrong. The tumour on the left hand side of my brain is causing alsorts of problems which includes the seizures. Both tumours are benign, and I never actually said they were going to kill me, but one of them has grown significantly in the past 2 years so the doctors want to remove it. I have PTSD due to the abuse I suffered at the hands of my parents and their friends (they were charged, so I can prove that too), so basically you're accusing me of lying about everything. I couldn't make it up if I flaming well tried!!!!

ILW

screamer wrote: »

mgba, whatever your name is, you only need to see me to know something is wrong. The tumour on the left hand side of my brain is causing alsorts of problems which includes the seizures. Both tumours are benign, and I never actually said they were going to kill me, but one of them has grown significantly in the past 2 years so the doctors want to remove it. I have PTSD due to the abuse I suffered at the hands of my parents and their friends (they were charged, so I can prove that too), so basically you're accusing me of lying about everything. I couldn't make it up if I flaming well tried!!!!

Screamer.
You are exactly the type of person that the system SHOULD be helping.
The problem is that there are 2.5 million claiming sickness benefit and I find it hard to believe that more than about 10% are incabable of doing some sort of work. If these mailingerers were cracked down on, in theory it would leave more cash for the genuine cases.