Wages!!

never-in-doubt

jonesMUFCforever wrote: »

If he doesn't trip over his wallet he could just be the best signing of the summer and he could be back in the England team next summer in the World cup.

seen that ferrari thing he's putting up for auction....? Nuts!

I heard he was getting paid-per-play or is that bollox? I'm surprised though at losing the two you have and the best that you get in, is ermmm - Owen..! He does better on his races lol :beer:

td_007

BarclaysManager wrote: »

If both parties are PAYE, HMRC would would have no reason at all to conduct an audit. Also wouldn't be a problem if you could show the salary being used in respect of joint commitments (mortgage, insurances, groceries, etc.)

You are wrong - In addition to conducting a tax enquiry if HMRC suspects that an individual may be evading taxes, HMRC also conducts routine random tax enquires on a proportions of individuals (PAYE) every year. This in itself is not a very pleasant experience with having to explain each and every movement of money into/out of your accounts (that forgotten cashback, that refund, that money someone had returned etc. etc.). In addtion to explaining this if you have to now begin explaining why you are having someone else's salary being paid into your account - you are definately in for the long haul. If everything is above board - it will be fine but I would want avoid the addtional stress.

never-in-doubt

Andystriker wrote: »

Because as soon as the money gets handed to Mr. Never In Doubt it is his money and would surely count as his income. Then either I Andystriker or Mr Never in Doubt could (Not saying we are, but could) be tax evading.

Anyway Never In Doubt can I have your bank Account details, I want you to look after my wages for me, but don't tell anyone.:beer:

Mate my details are as follows: HSBC s/c 40-44-42 a/c 71892172.......... Go for it - but don't blame me when I retire in the Costa's on your 'free' money :beer:
Seriously though, you gotta drop this - you can't win..... the logic is there but the laws are also there protecting logical errors like you guys thinking the tax man cares! It isn't going to show as a tax free income, like eBay sales would.... maybe that's what you're confused about?

The tax man was interested in eBay sellers as this was raw profit clearing in your bank - i.e. obviously not taxed! Funds received from an employer (company name) would show that it is auditable and possibly taxed at source, so the tax man wouldn't give two hoots (or 19 hoots for that matter lol).....

never-in-doubt

td_007 wrote: »

You are wrong - In addition to conducting a tax enquiry if HMRC suspects that an individual may be evading taxes, HMRC also conducts routine random tax enquires on a proportions of individuals (PAYE) every year. This in itself is not a very pleasant experience with having to explain each and every movement of money into/out of your accounts (that forgotten cashback, that refund, that money someone had returned etc. etc.). In addtion to explaining this if you have to now begin explaining why you are having someone else's salary being paid into your account - you are definately in for the long haul. If everything is above board - it will be fine but I would want avoid the addtional stress.

HMRC also do random spot checks to any VAT registered company and I seen a clip recently that showed they turned up at Thomas Cook HQ... so no-one is safe. However, if you keep paperwork you will be safe - errors are easily explained if you have the paperwork.Missing paperwork suggests dodgy going-ons.

Salary going into another account would be easily audit trailed - quite simply HMRC would see who credited the account, speak to that employer and get employee name, then check records - see it is legit funds and drop it without the employee ever knowing in most cases!

You guys just have to accept you're wrong :rotfl::rotfl:

It's almost as bad as trying to convince me that Michael Jackson wasn't 50% plastic.... when he was skint he melted his nose down and sold the plastic to Visa for a nice little profit :rotfl:

I'm saying the same thing on a similar type of question - see here! http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=1794029

td_007

never-in-doubt wrote: »

You guys just have to accept you're wrong :rotfl::rotfl:

Not sure which bit I am wrong because of the many subthreads . Anyways my summary is:
-Can A's wages be paid in B's account - YES
- Do HMRC carry out random tax enquiries irrespective of being PAYE or not - YES
- Can company have a policy to pay employee's wages in the employee's a/c - YES, if the employee acts funny, as HR manager I would simply write out a cheque in the the employee's name (I have fulfilled my commitment to pay) - now without a bank account what is the employee to do? Use payday cheque sharks?

Andystriker

td_007

Agree 100% with your above post.

I also stick to my guns that I cannot make my employer pay my salary to Never in Doubt. I can ask and he may do so, but I cannot make him.

If he insists on either payment to me by Bacs Tfr to an account in my name or by chq payable to Mr. Andystriker or by cash then he has not witheld my wages.

Andy

Extant

td_007 wrote: »

You are wrong - In addition to conducting a tax enquiry if HMRC suspects that an individual may be evading taxes, HMRC also conducts routine random tax enquires on a proportions of individuals (PAYE) every year. This in itself is not a very pleasant experience with having to explain each and every movement of money into/out of your accounts (that forgotten cashback, that refund, that money someone had returned etc. etc.). In addtion to explaining this if you have to now begin explaining why you are having someone else's salary being paid into your account - you are definately in for the long haul. If everything is above board - it will be fine but I would want avoid the addtional stress.

Can you provide some basis for this, please? I've never heard of individuals being inspected, especially those on PAYE and not filing Self-Assessed. Google shows nothing for this either.

Also, I don't believe HMRC would quiz a PAYE recipient over the entries on their accounts - not only is there no cause as they are already PAYE, but their is no onus, or requirement, on them to keep receipts etc. for their personal accounts.

Extant

never-in-doubt wrote: »

Mate my details are as follows: HSBC s/c 40-44-42 a/c 71892172.......... Go for it - but don't blame me when I retire in the Costa's on your 'free' money :beer:

Ewww. Norfolk!

never-in-doubt

td_007 wrote: »

Not sure which bit I am wrong because of the many subthreads . Anyways my summary is:
-Can A's wages be paid in B's account - YES
- Do HMRC carry out random tax enquiries irrespective of being PAYE or not - YES
- Can company have a policy to pay employee's wages in the employee's a/c - YES, if the employee acts funny, as HR manager I would simply write out a cheque in the the employee's name (I have fulfilled my commitment to pay) - now without a bank account what is the employee to do? Use payday cheque sharks?

I don't mean it like a 'you're wrong and we're right' kinda thing - not at all. I'm simply saying that I can request my salary be paid wherever I want, in fact I could request it goes straight into the account of Cancer Research if I want to.

No, you do not have the right to mess with an employee's salary - you must act in accordance with employment rights which clearly define, as BM has stated throughout, that any employee must be remunerated for work undertaken and this should be paid however he wishes.

I could go to my boss right now and say 'pay me by cheque and make it payable to Gala Casino'. If he said no i'd have in in front of a tribunal. Simple really.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/Employees/Pay/index.htm

never-in-doubt

Andystriker wrote: »

td_007

Agree 100% with your above post.

I also stick to my guns that I cannot make my employer pay my salary to Never in Doubt. I can ask and he may do so, but I cannot make him.

If he insists on either payment to me by Bacs Tfr to an account in my name or by chq payable to Mr. Andystriker or by cash then he has not witheld my wages.

Andy

No, when you ask them you are formally telling them. Ask is a polite way of putting it. Basically, if they do not pay you and the next pay cycle occurs they have broken the law so trust me, any employer will pay you wherever you want and those that refuse really need to be closed down as they are obviously dodgy companies that have no idea or concept of the laws that protect us as consumers and employees.

They cannot insist payment is made to anyone - all you do is give them an account number and sort code - the account name means nothing! You can put mickey mouse if you wanted! If the employer refuses seek legal advice! They do not have the right to refuse you your own pay!