Is it true about Ryan Air..

old_motters

PolishBigSpender wrote: »

Shows what little you know, doesn't it?

The fact that Ryanair will be able to advertise the fact that your luggage is taken to and from the plane by yourself is a massive selling point - how many people suffer lost luggage? Enough. To have the peace of mind that your bag is taken to/from the plane with absolutely no worries - this is absolutely priceless.

You think? How about this...
1. The airport ramp area is always extremely exposed i.e. in cold weather there is zero protection from the elements while you wait for your bag to be unloaded. In hot weather you will swelter in the heat. Having spent time on various ramps around the world this is something I can speak to from experience.
2. Ramps are not safe places. To protect you from being sucked into an engine or sprayed with glycol, you will be coralled into a tiny area of the ramp while your bags are unloaded.
3. Having plane checked carry on before at various airports before boarding small planes there is a wait of a several minutes while the unloaders get the bag from the hold. The wait will be worse on a 737 which is much larger than a turboprop. See point 1 as to why this isn't fun.

So yes, while you're guaranteed to arrive with your bag, never having lost one during a lifetime of flying I can't say it worries me all that much.

pebblespop

what percentage of ryanair passengers take hold luggage anyway?

i bet the majority are weekend breaks or business men with small bags they carry as hand luggage.

if ryanair say i can take as much luggage as i want i would still only take my small bag - it's idiots who pack every item of clothing they own for a weekend away who will be doing this new system.

PolishBigSpender

old_motters wrote: »

You think? How about this...
1. The airport ramp area is always extremely exposed i.e. in cold weather there is zero protection from the elements while you wait for your bag to be unloaded. In hot weather you will swelter in the heat. Having spent time on various ramps around the world this is something I can speak to from experience.

Just as you'll spend time waiting outside for a taxi in the sun, rain or snow. It's absolutely no different - why is an airport ramp area any different?

2. Ramps are not safe places. To protect you from being sucked into an engine or sprayed with glycol, you will be coralled into a tiny area of the ramp while your bags are unloaded.

I'm loving the use of 'will' - as if you know how Ryanair intend to implement such a system.

3. Having plane checked carry on before at various airports before boarding small planes there is a wait of a several minutes while the unloaders get the bag from the hold. The wait will be worse on a 737 which is much larger than a turboprop. See point 1 as to why this isn't fun.

The wait will be no more than 10 minutes. Given that Ryanair operate 20 minute turnarounds - then I imagine they'll get it down to significantly less than 10 minutes once baggage handlers are 'encouraged' to work harder.

So yes, while you're guaranteed to arrive with your bag, never having lost one during a lifetime of flying I can't say it worries me all that much.

Clearly you've never flown through anywhere interesting in terms of baggage theft, then.

old_motters

PolishBigSpender wrote: »

Just as you'll spend time waiting outside for a taxi in the sun, rain or snow. It's absolutely no different - why is an airport ramp area any different?

It is, and having spents days on the ramp at various airports in various weather conditions I am offering you a fact. If you choose to ignore it, that's your call.

PolishBigSpender wrote: »

I'm loving the use of 'will' - as if you know how Ryanair intend to implement such a system.

Are you trying to suggest that, once on the ramp, you'll be given free access to roam where you wish? No. You will be corralled closely to the plane, just as in the US, while you wait for your bags. Again, if you choose to ignore this rather obvious fact, that's your call.

PolishBigSpender wrote: »

The wait will be no more than 10 minutes. Given that Ryanair operate 20 minute turnarounds - then I imagine they'll get it down to significantly less than 10 minutes once baggage handlers are 'encouraged' to work harder.

Will. I like your use of the word will. Can you say definitively it WILL be 10 minutes? You can't say for sure, can you. Personally, I like to wait inside where it's sheltered and having given myself plenty of time to get where I want to go, I can afford the time to relax.

PolishBigSpender wrote: »

Clearly you've never flown through anywhere interesting in terms of baggage theft, then.

I've flown from Theifrow. Nuff said.

Put the Ryanair pompoms down and try to recognise a lousy idea when it's proposed. :rolleyes:

Nordictat2

PBS....must you be so mouthy? I've seen you more than once trying to make a person feel "small" Knock it off! Didn't your mother ever teach you...if you don't have anything nice to say..don't say it? You do have useful info at times but sheesh. Enough already.

wannaberichbtch

I personally wouldnt be upset at Ryanair introducing this policy, If I travel by coach I have to wait beside it for my bag to be unloaded. Most people only take cabin baggage on a Ryanair flight now anyway so can't imagine it would be a long wait!

inflationbusting

They should try it on a route like London - Dublin so the price differences can be clear, and let people vote with their feet.

It's quite a good idea in theory. Let's say it was implemented. Bag loss rates would drop to zero. If 1 in 1000 is lost currently, that still equates to 5,000 bags a month. If a claim costs on average £100 to process, that is quite a saving - perhaps £6m a year on this measure alone.

Trouble is, I think the savings would be quite marginal - maybe only saving a couple of quid per passenger. The changes would have to be wholesale to benefit from scale effects. Someone will still have to be employed to move the conveyor belt into place and load/unload unless Ryanair are expecting people to get into the hold themselves. In turn, this would put pressure on the turnaround times. They are tight enough already - literally planes start boarding minutes after people have left.

The weather is a moot point. If you're landing at one of the provincial Ryanair army bases, you're going to get wet regardless. I would guess that if it was raining, people would just wait in the plane a little longer until they could see the bags being unloaded.

PolishBigSpender

old_motters wrote: »

It is, and having spents days on the ramp at various airports in various weather conditions I am offering you a fact. If you choose to ignore it, that's your call.

It isn't a fact, because you simply don't know how Ryanair will implement this. I have my doubts as to whether the HSE will allow people to stand around the plane waiting for bags to be unloaded - so it is very possible that people will still be required to collect their bags via the baggage belts.

Are you trying to suggest that, once on the ramp, you'll be given free access to roam where you wish? No. You will be corralled closely to the plane, just as in the US, while you wait for your bags. Again, if you choose to ignore this rather obvious fact, that's your call.

It's not a 'rather obvious fact' at all, because you simply don't know how it will be implemented. Your experience with small planes has absolutely no relevance to a fully laden 737!

Will. I like your use of the word will. Can you say definitively it WILL be 10 minutes? You can't say for sure, can you. Personally, I like to wait inside where it's sheltered and having given myself plenty of time to get where I want to go, I can afford the time to relax.

Then don't fly Ryanair and pay the extra to 'relax' while waiting an interminable amount of time for luggage that might very well have been stolen or damaged. Meanwhile, savvy people like myself will enjoy the ability to collect my luggage from the plane without the hassle of waiting at baggage reclaim.

I can't say for certain, but O'Leary simply isn't going to introduce something that impacts upon turnaround times. For that reason, they'll be looking at 10 minute unloadings at the very very most.

Put the Ryanair pompoms down and try to recognise a lousy idea when it's proposed. :rolleyes:

Lousy idea for who? I suspect the vast majority of travellers will positively love the concept of guaranteeing their luggage won't be interfered with or lost. It's one less element of stress on a holiday!

inflationbusting wrote:

It's quite a good idea in theory. Let's say it was implemented. Bag loss rates would drop to zero. If 1 in 1000 is lost currently, that still equates to 5,000 bags a month. If a claim costs on average £100 to process, that is quite a saving - perhaps £6m a year on this measure alone.

There's also the significant publicity from having bag loss rates at nearly 0 - they'll be able to insult pretty much every other airline when it comes to having nearly no bags lost. And add in baggage handlers strikes - it would seem very likely that Ryanair will get the sole baggage handlers on no-strike contracts, so even more good publicity.

Trouble is, I think the savings would be quite marginal - maybe only saving a couple of quid per passenger. The changes would have to be wholesale to benefit from scale effects. Someone will still have to be employed to move the conveyor belt into place and load/unload unless Ryanair are expecting people to get into the hold themselves. In turn, this would put pressure on the turnaround times. They are tight enough already - literally planes start boarding minutes after people have left.

This is what I wonder about - can this really be done with Ryanair turnaround times as it is? I would guess that you'll walk to the plane and throw your luggage onto a pile to be loaded, but it could still slow the turnaround times down. Ryanair publicly say that it costs them money to keep planes on the ground - so I suspect the practicalities may hinder this idea.

old_motters

PolishBigSpender wrote: »

It isn't a fact, because you simply don't know how Ryanair will implement this. I have my doubts as to whether the HSE will allow people to stand around the plane waiting for bags to be unloaded - so it is very possible that people will still be required to collect their bags via the baggage belts.

It's not a 'rather obvious fact' at all, because you simply don't know how it will be implemented. Your experience with small planes has absolutely no relevance to a fully laden 737!

I see that the pompoms are getting in your eyes and you've not been able to read my post clearly. If airside baggage collection is permitted, you will not have free roam of the airport ramp, you will be coralled near the plane. I really can't state a fact any clearer than that.

PolishBigSpender

old_motters wrote: »

I see that the pompoms are getting in your eyes and you've not been able to read my post clearly. If airside baggage collection is permitted, you will not have free roam of the airport ramp, you will be coralled near the plane. I really can't state a fact any clearer than that.

Who mentioned anything about passengers freely roaming, except you?

Perhaps your old age is causing problems in your comprehension abilities?