Tesco - Parent/Child + disabled car spaces

frugallass

Great thread.....

The way I look at it is that the parent friendly spaces are there as a bonus if you're lucky enough to get one, not a fundamental right.

And yes......I park in them.

kernewek

sarahg1969 wrote: »

It does matter; of course it does. To suggest that you have authority to fine people, and to give them tickets called things like "Fixed Penalty Notice" or "Penalty Charge Notice" is nothing short of fraud.

It is illegal to demand money from people (or to suggest that you have authority to do so) by pretending that you are acting in some official capacity.

Its not illegal, you can put a sign saying whatever you like as long as a)its on your land, b) within reason, eg. not contravening Race Relations Act etc.
As a councillor, my council have tried to stop local residents from putting signs banning access to a public road and threatening fines. The resident's argument is that they could put up a sign saying whatever they like up. They won.

poet123

sinderella wrote: »

Only people who have babies and toddlers are aware of the big difference allocated parking makes to them and I don't feel that anyone else is qualified to comment on that. :T

I agree with you about the insulting/personal comments, there is sismply no need to stoop to that level to get across your point.

However, there are many of us who fall into or who fell into the category you quote above who still disagree that the spaces are necessary. So whether you currently have a baby/toddler is not the arbitor of whether you are qualified to comment or not. It is whether you have ever had a child, minded a child, and used a supermarket carpark. That widens the field considerably imo.:D

sarahg1969

S40 of the Administration of Justice Act states:

1. A person commits an offence if, with the object of coercing another person to pay money claimed from the other as a debt due under a contract he-
2. harasses the other with demands for payment which, in respect of their frequency, or the manner or occasion of making any such demand, or of any threat or publicity by which any demand is accompanied, are calculated to subject him or members of his family or household to alarm, distress or humiliation;

• falsely represents, in relation to the money claimed, that criminal proceedings lie for failure to pay it;
• falsely represents himself to be authorised in some official capacity to claim or enforce payment; or
• utters a document falsely represented by him to have some official character, or purporting to have some official character which he know it has not.

dipsy

I would only add that the parking slots for p&C are a great idea...

stops parents with young babies scraping their doors into other cars on the side where they are getting their children out from, maybe an age limit on what age a child should be would be a good idea.

I once, when my children were very little, challanged an older couple about their parking in a P & C slot in sainsburys only to be told they did have their child with them,,,,,,,aged 30 +

some people are just A/H's - and nothing will change that.....

minnie123

notafan wrote: »

The needs of your child are to be met by you the parent.

The child has no real need to visit a supermarket in the first place.

Additionally I've never seen a baby bigger then a carrier bag of shopping and never had any bother stuff bags on the seats front or back.

Just because its easier does not mean its automatic. If people choose to use them or 'abuse' them (said very loosely) as you state its probably because they too don't see why its such a big deal for such spaces.

People are more resistant when you go on about how needed these are for you or how difficult it is for you. Fact is your taking what should be a simple action and making it into a huge deal by making out you can't manage without this.

Ummm yeah the baby has no need to go so I will just leave him at home to fend for himself whilst I go and do the shopping!!

redstararnie76

I have a young child and I sometimes park in these spots - when there is one free!
Speaking for myself, I certainly don't see these as 'a right', however I normally sigh with relief if there is a space available. Why? Well, although I only drive a little nissan, so many times now when I've parked I come back to my car to find someone has parked badly, right up against my car door, or they've parked a vehicle that is too big for the parking space and I really struggle to get my daughter in her carseat without hitting the other car with my door.
It can also be difficult (although I admit, not impossible )to get a young child safely out of the car and into a pushchair without having a bit of space.
The extra space between cars can make a lot of difference to someone - male or female, trying to cope with a young child. It isn't a right, but it is something that can make life a little bit easier.
I certainly don't think anyone has the right to expect these spaces, but I would hope that when they exist that people could try not to park there if they don't need them.
Why not try and make someone else's life a bit easier if you can? That is the same reason why I never park in disabled spaces. I'm not disabled and if it helps someone to park there, then it won't hurt me to walk a bit further.

FatAndy

sarahg1969 wrote: »

S40 of the Administration of Justice Act states:

1. A person commits an offence if, with the object of coercing another person to pay money claimed from the other as a debt due under a contract he-
2. harasses the other with demands for payment which, in respect of their frequency, or the manner or occasion of making any such demand, or of any threat or publicity by which any demand is accompanied, are calculated to subject him or members of his family or household to alarm, distress or humiliation;

• falsely represents, in relation to the money claimed, that criminal proceedings lie for failure to pay it;
• falsely represents himself to be authorised in some official capacity to claim or enforce payment; or
• utters a document falsely represented by him to have some official character, or purporting to have some official character which he know it has not.

S1a of the Law of Common Decency states:

1. If you don't want to do the time then don't commit the crime.

sarahg1969

Of course - let the courts decide. Absolutely right.

Not many PPCs want to go down that route, though.

notafan

minnie123 wrote: »

Ummm yeah the baby has no need to go so I will just leave him at home to fend for himself whilst I go and do the shopping!!

The point being is that if its so big of an issue and you cant cope without then no you shouldn't be going.

Again 'so i will just leave him at home' no sort out a baby sitter if you couldn't manage without the space.

And kenwick not that it makes an any difference but you seem hung up on work.

I just don't do the easy hours, but then my industry probably isn't as bent and corrupt as yours.

Also i don't drive a mondeo, or a xsara picasso either, a CMAX, a meganne scenic, zafira etc etc :rotfl: