Man Utd accept $80m from Real Madrid for Ronaldo - no recession in Madrid !!

kennyboy66_2

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Only the most succesful manager both domestically and in Europe for any British manager.
Still he's crap though aint he :rolleyes:

While Ronaldo was a contributing factor with his selfish shooting and trying to do it on his own, I think the major factor for United's poor show in the final was the loss of Fletcher, who provides the position in midfield to protect the defence, break up play and then allow the others to play football.

when Barca scored against the run of play, it allowed them to keep the ball and United did not have that influence in centre midfield required to gain control of the ball.

Undoubtedly he is the best domestic manager ever.

However if you think his record in Europe is his greatest acheivement then you are either brainwashed by Sky or deluding yourself.

His record in Europe is no where near as good as Bob Paisley's or Brian Clough's.
In fact, Joe Fagan won the European Cup in 84 with Liverpool and was runner up the next year and only managed them for 2 years.

Would you like me to pick half a dozen other European managers in the last 25 years whose record is also better ?

Of course if you believe that football only started in the Sky era and that English football is the bestest in the world, then yes Sir Alex is the greatest manager ever.

Cannon_Fodder

inspector_monkfish wrote: »

Sorry, thats 80 million POUNDS.

But they could get the whole of Newcastle FC for that money...

(cue "who'd want to" jokes)

inspector_monkfish

Cannon_Fodder wrote: »

But they could get the whole of Newcastle FC for that money...

(cue "who'd want to" jokes)

True.
Why do you think Real Madrid sold Michael Owen to Newcastle in the first place!!?

Really2

kennyboy66 wrote: »

However if you think his record in Europe is his greatest acheivement then you are either brainwashed by Sky or deluding yourself.

His record in Europe is no where near as good as Bob Paisley's or Brian Clough's.
In fact, Joe Fagan won the European Cup in 84 with Liverpool and was runner up the next year and only managed them for 2 years.

To add to that Liverpool and Chelsea's recent record in Europe is better than man U (Chelsea and liverpool are closer to Barcalona than man u is closer to them:)

Check out the the coefs for 2009/2010

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/seedcl2009.html

Their premiership dominance is definatly not shown in europe, personaly I think they have under achived in europe.

lemonjelly

I was looking to see George Elokobi thunder through the back of the little git in the first 5 mins of our game against them!

I remember in 2003 our fans singing "you're not the real ronaldo" at him at old trafford. He didn't like it.

To quote C Montgomery Burns, there is no I in team.

In ronaldo's world, there is nothing except ronaldo.

I think MUFC may be better without him AS A TEAM.

Will they now buy Tevez?

1984ReturnsForReal_2

Thank god I havent got to watch him on TV anymore...

Really2

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

Thank god I havent got to watch him on TV anymore...

So you have got setanta to.

IveSeenTheLight

kennyboy66 wrote: »

Undoubtedly he is the best domestic manager ever.

However if you think his record in Europe is his greatest acheivement then you are either brainwashed by Sky or deluding yourself.

His record in Europe is no where near as good as Bob Paisley's or Brian Clough's.
In fact, Joe Fagan won the European Cup in 84 with Liverpool and was runner up the next year and only managed them for 2 years.

Would you like me to pick half a dozen other European managers in the last 25 years whose record is also better ?

Of course if you believe that football only started in the Sky era and that English football is the bestest in the world, then yes Sir Alex is the greatest manager ever.

Looking at Sir alex Fergusons achievements abroad: -

2008 Champions League Finalists
2007 Champions League Winners
2007 World club Chamions
1999 Champions League Winners
1991 Cup Winners Cup winners
1984 European Cup semi finalists (Aberdeen)
1984 Super Cup Winners (Aberdeen)
1983 Cup Winners Cup winners (Aberdeen)

And thats just what I can remember off the top of my head and not considering his domestic achievements (the post would be too long if I did;))

from http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2006/nov/03/sport.comment1

When they were 64
Sir Matt Busby
At Ferguson's age, Busby had won five League titles, one European Cup and two FA Cups as Manchester United manager between 1946 and 1971.
Bill Shankly
Three League titles, two FA Cups and one Uefa Cup in charge of Liverpool between 1959 and 1974.
Jock Stein
One European Cup, 10 League titles nine Scottish Cups and six league cups from 1965-1978 at Celtic. Also won the Scottish Cup with Dunfermline.
Bob Paisley
Six League titles, three European Cups, one Uefa Cup, one European Super Cup and three League Cups with Liverpool from 1974-1983.
Brian Clough
One League title at Derby in 1972; a League title, two European Cups and three League Cups with Nottingham Forest between 1975 and 1993.

Show me where Bob Paisly, Joe Fagan or any other British manager with a better record for competition abroad

Gorgeous_George

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Really2

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Show me where Bob Paisly, Joe Fagan or any other British manager with a better record for competition abroad

Bob Paisly

• European Cup:
  • Winner: 1976/77, 1977/78, 1980/81

• UEFA Cup:
  • Winner: 1975/76

• European Super Cup:
  • Winner: 1977/78
  • Runner-up: 1978/79

• Intercontinental Cup
  • Runner-up: 1981

I make that better without even adding the runners up bits:)

3 champions league wins in 4 years