Starting BOTOX business - any nurses do this?

murphy70

Hi can any one help im due on a course next week and im having doubts if this is still safe practice with in the nmc guidelines which since april 2011 seem to be that nurses should not be administering from a remote prescription unless is life threating.. This advice seems to be around administering botox.. Im finding this a very grey area and do not wish to lose my pin.... If my prescriber who is training me speaks to the client before hand is this ok now....

Can anyone help on the yearly cost of insurance and who is the best to go with...

Thanks

RB87

Hi,
I am a registered nurse and I have been looking into administering Botox and Dermal Fillers. I have came across the KT Training site and was really impressed. After reading through this thread they have had lots of recommendations. The prescribing of botox does seem to be a grey area which has caused me some concern. Is this discussed during your training?
I was also wondering about the costs etc...
* Price charged to patient?
* Price doctors charge to issue prescription?
* Price to order botox/dermal fillers?
* Insurance?

Thank you for your help

smartyjo

Gcgc wrote: »

My background is nursing and I too have completed my Botox and filler courses with KT training on Harley Street. Which I highly recommend.

Whilst on this course I met a doctor who now does all my prescriptions for me. Like someone on an earlier post, he phones each client before prescribing and follows them up later. He is quite (and appropriately I think) particular about the whole thing and has been helpful answering questions I might have about treatments.

If anyone is interested I could always pass on your email address to him to see if he is interested in doing the same for you. I think he helps out with 1 or 2 other nurses so it won't hurt to try.

Hi I have recently done a Botox / Fillers course and am a RNLD I am not a nurse prescriber and am finding it very hard to get onto the course as it has to be appropriate to your job and you need support from line managers as this is not my area of practice it is a problem even though I am willing to self fund. My problem is I need someone to prescribe for me until I can find another way to do the course. I live on the wirral. I am also looking for someone who would let me work for them or alongside them (shadow them) for free so that I can gain more experience. :beer:

kirsty0804

Hi smartyjo,
Im in the same position as you. Where did you do ur training? R u doing Botox as a sideline job at the minute and hoping to build up? Have u had any customers yet? R u advertising? I have sooooooo many questions! X

milenaa

Hi guys,
I am new to the website but im interested in starting botox business. Does anyone run this sort of business at home??? I have one spare room which could be easily transformed into a clinical room. Does it affect insurance cost??? I went through previous posts and I know there is an issue with nurses administering botox. I know you can 'hire' a doctor to consult your patients but how does it work??? Do they call YOU while the patient is in your clinic (in your presence) ??? How much it costs??? Do you pay for consultation for every patient or can you pay monthly??? What are the average prices for botox and dermal fillers??? I know you cant go too low on a price cause that could scare potential custorems away.
Thanks.x

TeaForOne

Here's what the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) has to say on the subject of supply of a POM for an unlicensed indication. It's a bit lengthy, but if you're going to get involved in this it's really important to understand what you can and cannot do.


http://www.mhra.gov.uk/Howweregulate/Medicines/Availabilityprescribingsellingandsupplyingofmedicines/Frequentlyraisedissues/BotoxVistabelDysportandotherinjectablemedicinesincosmeticprocedures/index.htm#q4

tommyg27

Hello,

I'm an RGN who is interested in training in Aesthetics with a view to starting my own business. I'm wondering who regulates this industry and where you can find an accredited list of training courses as well as the rules and regulations of the industry?

I would have to find a GP to work with, though it seems it would be more efficient if I were an independent prescriber.

Can I just check then, does any pharmacy supply the medication?

Thanks

TeaForOne

A pharmacy will supply medicines on receipt of a prescription. Any registered pharmacy can obtain Botox for you, but they may not all stock them, so you probably would need to develop a relationship with a convenient pharmacy. They cannot supply to you for stock - only for a named patient on a prescription.

The industry is pretty much unregulated - registration with the CQC is not obligatory.

You are aware, aren't you, that the prescriber takes liability for safety and efficacy when prescribing any medicine for unlicensed use?

gemma1402

Hi, I'm new to this but found this forum really helpful as I'm a registered nurse looking into starting my own business administering botox. I noticed on here that a few people have said that they have GP's that prescribe botox once they have received a patient questionnaire/assessment via email, so I now have a GP that will work along side me and is happy to prescribe botox in this way. But after further research, I have just came across the following information and I am now a little worried to where I stand if I adminster botox that has peen predcibed this way. Any advice on this would be greatly appreciated.

New GMC guidance - doctors must not remotely prescribe Botox

Press Release

12 Jul 2012

Doctors are to be banned from prescribing Botox by phone, email, video-link or fax under new guidance from the General Medical Council (GMC), it was announced today (12th July).
The change means that doctors must have face-to-face consultations with patients before prescribing Botox and other injectable cosmetics to ensure they fully understand the patient’s medical history and reasons for wanting the treatment.
Under current GMC guidance doctors must adequately assess the patient’s condition before prescribing remotely and they must be confident they can justify the prescription. Where doctors cannot satisfy these conditions, they must not prescribe remotely.
The new guidance, which comes into force on 23rd July, updates and strengthens these rules.
It introduces a complete prohibition on prescribing cosmetic injectables, such as Botox, without a physical examination of the patient. Doctors who continue to prescribe Botox or similar products remotely will be putting their registration at risk.
The GMC recognises that remote prescribing may be appropriate for some drugs and treatments for some patients but stresses that doctors must consider the limitations of any electronic communication with their patient.
The guidance, which will be issued to every doctor in the UK, states: ‘You must undertake a physical examination of patients before prescribing non-surgical cosmetic medicinal products such as Botox, Dysport or Vistabel or other injectable cosmetic medicines. You must not therefore prescribe these medicines by telephone, fax, video-link, or online.’
Niall Dickson, Chief Executive of the GMC, today said: ‘We recognise that patients can benefit from communicating with their doctor by email, phone, or video-link or fax and that is fine as long as it is done safely, but our new guidance makes clear that doctors must now not prescribe medicines such as Botox remotely.
‘These are not trivial interventions and there are good reasons why products such as Botox are prescription only. We are clear that doctors should assess any patient in person before issuing a prescription of this kind. So while remote prescribing may be the right answer in many situations, this is not one of them.'
Katherine Murphy, Chief Executive of the Patients Association, added: ‘The Patients Association welcomes all guidance that strengthens rights and helps inform choice. Face to face appointments give patients the most appropriate opportunity to question clinicians directly about their care. Doctors must encourage a partnership approach, ensuring that patients are equal partners in their care and the decisions made about it.’
The new guidance on remote prescribing is part of wider updated guidance, Good practice in prescribing and managing medicines and devices which is set to be published later in the year and followed an extensive consultation on this issue with almost 200 responses received from medical, pharmaceutical and other health care professions and patient safety organisations.’

APM_P

Excellent thanks for this