Standing children in the corner in class for minor issues?

vaio

Flashdaisy wrote: »

…….Have a drink - I seem to remember most teachers when I was at school drinking during lessons. Children drink in lessons from water bottles, can teachers not do the same?

Drink? When I was in Tech in the ‘70s we had two lecturers who smoked in lectures

kelloggs36

milliebear00001 wrote: »

No, not your fault. I think this is half the problem these days - punishments are considered not to be the child's fault. We have become too soft over time and given children too many rights and not given them responsibilities. If the child had not misbehaved, said child would not have been punished. Of course if child was hit very hard with an instrument that would of course warrant discipline of the teacher, but we have gone mad! Whether she was having a bad day or not, it doesn't mean she was right to break the law! I left primary in 1986 and was slapped myself (once) prior to that (for stepping into the road while walking to the swimming baths). It shocked me profoundly at the time and I was mortified. Even worse though, I remember a boy of about 8 in my class having his face smashed into the blackboard because he kept turning around and making the rest of the class laugh (he was standing face to the blackboard at the time). He was hysterical, and we all knew (including the recently qualified teacher) that she'd overstepped the mark, but nothing ever came of it, despite several of us telling our parents. As a teacher myself now, I really hope we never return to those days!

There is a huge difference between punishment and abuse - what you have described is clear abuse, what the person to whom you have answered described was a punishment.

kelloggs36

Joannesappine - thank you for spelling out to others more of the truth! Many people believe that teachers arrive at school at 9am and go home at 3pm and lessons miraculously plan themselves and marking does itself!! They don't mention the assessment and reports that have to be done - unless they believe that it all happens during the school day. They also believe that the 13 weeks 'holidays' we get are totally school or work free. Having just had half term, I can assure you that I spent EVERY day working - I had to write reports and they take hours and hours! I have also had to plan for a whole term's worth of objectives and will plan the individual lessons as I go - in my own time of course!

peachyprice

Flashdaisy wrote: »

Those of you that think it's acceptable for double standards of punishment, what would you think if for example you worked in an office where you were told off and reprimanded for small mistakes, whilst the colleague that sat next to you doing identical work made much worse mistakes day in day out, yet they were never reprimanded? Then on a day when they made no mistakes they were given, say £50? But you rarely made mistakes but were never rewarded for your hard work, only told off if you'd done wrong.

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And what if that person sitting next to you had a severe learning difficulties/disability/mental health issue etc. etc. and the job was the only thing to live for and your employer was the only person in this employees life to give them a chance to experience anything like a normal life. What then?

That is wht it is like for some children, they only chance they get to be treated with any respect is at school, before they go home to abuse/drugs/alcohol/violence and so on.

It just isn't black and white.

nettttie

DS1 is at a school where there are quite a few disruptive kids, who swear and throw their bags/equiptment and storm out of class with no consequences whatsoever; yet if he answers back he gets a det! He did question the ethos of this with the teacher who said right you you and you stay behind; more tuts and sulks followed.

The teacher then explained that the other child does not have the attention span that they do and they are treated on their own individual merit of how they know they can behave. I was really happy with this and explained further to my DS about the disadvantages of living in a world where your attention span is short and you cant accept change and you need routine. He accepted this and is now better at school.

However, he's just got back from camp and one of his punishments (the class was told to stay in a room and he went to a toilet!) was to miss the disco on the last night of camp. Fine - punishment is punishment; however, the teacher minding him in a room sat and drank a bottle of wine, fell over, and when he tried to shut his eyes poked him and told him he couldn't sleep - whilst she sat laughing at him. :mad:

LucyLocket

nettttie wrote: »

however, the teacher minding him in a room sat and drank a bottle of wine, fell over, and when he tried to shut his eyes poked him and told him he couldn't sleep - whilst she sat laughing at him. :mad:

If you are utterly confident this happened exactly as described then you need to make a formal complaint.

andyrules

nettttie wrote: »

DS1 is at a school where there are quite a few disruptive kids, who swear and throw their bags/equiptment and storm out of class with no consequences whatsoever; yet if he answers back he gets a det! He did question the ethos of this with the teacher who said right you you and you stay behind; more tuts and sulks followed.

The teacher then explained that the other child does not have the attention span that they do and they are treated on their own individual merit of how they know they can behave. I was really happy with this and explained further to my DS about the disadvantages of living in a world where your attention span is short and you cant accept change and you need routine. He accepted this and is now better at school.

However, he's just got back from camp and one of his punishments (the class was told to stay in a room and he went to a toilet!) was to miss the disco on the last night of camp. Fine - punishment is punishment; however, the teacher minding him in a room sat and drank a bottle of wine, fell over, and when he tried to shut his eyes poked him and told him he couldn't sleep - whilst she sat laughing at him. :mad:

I hope you follow this up.

For a start, the punishment doesn't fit the crime if it is as described, and the rest needs a formal investigation, again, if it is as described.

Occasionally, a 'low-level' disrupter can take the rap for the rest of them. Zero tolerance has to be fair.

poet123

nettttie wrote: »

DS1 is at a school where there are quite a few disruptive kids, who swear and throw their bags/equiptment and storm out of class with no consequences whatsoever; yet if he answers back he gets a det! He did question the ethos of this with the teacher who said right you you and you stay behind; more tuts and sulks followed.

The teacher then explained that the other child does not have the attention span that they do and they are treated on their own individual merit of how they know they can behave. I was really happy with this and explained further to my DS about the disadvantages of living in a world where your attention span is short and you cant accept change and you need routine. He accepted this and is now better at school.

However, he's just got back from camp and one of his punishments (the class was told to stay in a room and he went to a toilet!) was to miss the disco on the last night of camp. Fine - punishment is punishment; however, the teacher minding him in a room sat and drank a bottle of wine, fell over, and when he tried to shut his eyes poked him and told him he couldn't sleep - whilst she sat laughing at him. :mad:

This is clearly out of order, and needs further investigation, both for the punishment for the original "crime" and for the way the teacher behaved. Obviously you need to be sure it did happen as described and your son is not (as most kids do) embellishing the story because he is still upset at not being at the disco. How old is he?

JOANNESAPHINE

Kelloggs - the last teacher I worked under used to work evenings, Sundays and all the school holidays either at home or coming in to redo the displays in her classroom. 7.30 to late at night during the week and only Friday nights and Saturdays off. When do you get to have a life?

Regarding punishments above that sounds terrible. Not all teachers are fair and I think sometimes the children that are better behaved generally can get a harder time when they are punished for various reasons including that it does genuinely upset them more. If you are sure this is the truth it must be worthy of a complaint.

milliebear00001

kelloggs36 wrote: »

There is a huge difference between punishment and abuse - what you have described is clear abuse, what the person to whom you have answered described was a punishment.

My point was not whether it was punishment or abuse (although in whose eyes is another matter). My point was that in the late eighties, such n action was illegal.