Standing children in the corner in class for minor issues?

poet123

Flashdaisy wrote: »

If your child gets punched in the face or has property stolen then forgive me for being uncharitable but it isn't that easy to be forgiving!

Those of you that think it's acceptable for double standards of punishment, what would you think if for example you worked in an office where you were told off and reprimanded for small mistakes, whilst the colleague that sat next to you doing identical work made much worse mistakes day in day out, yet they were never reprimanded? Then on a day when they made no mistakes they were given, say £50? But you rarely made mistakes but were never rewarded for your hard work, only told off if you'd done wrong.

Would you think this fair? Or would you complain about it? Children at school are learning about life skills as well as academic work, and classroom life should be fair.

My child was punched in the face, and had his lunchbox emptied by another class member when he was in Reception. The child in question had (and still has) Aspergers syndrome. His mother was mortified, and seemed to expect me to go off on a rage about the incident, I didn't, I understood the child was out of his depth, and reacting to the change in situation from home to school. That child is still in his class, in Year 7 at High School, and is now much better at managing his anger, and frustration, and the school manage his condition. There were incidents throughout Primary school,but they grew less common, and the kids did understand and made allowances. Most of the parents understood too.

So, yes I would think it fair, if the situation was similar at work and the person had learning difficulties or Autism. Allowances need to be made by those of us who are lucky enough not to have kids with special needs, or have them ourselves. These are lifelong conditions.

Flashdaisy

poet123 wrote: »

My child was punched in the face, and had his lunchbox emptied by another class member when he was in Reception. The child in question had (and still has) Aspergers syndrome. His mother was mortified, and seemed to expect me to go off on a rage about the incident, I didn't, I understood the child was out of his depth, and reacting to the change in situation from home to school. That child is still in his class, in Year 7 at High School, and is now much better at managing his anger, and frustration, and the school manage his condition. There were incidents throughout Primary school,but they grew less common, and the kids did understand and made allowances. Most of the parents understood too.

So, yes I would think it fair, if the situation was similar at work and the person had learning difficulties or Autism. Allowances need to be made by those of us who are lucky enough not to have kids with special needs, or have them ourselves. These are lifelong conditions.

So all children that play up at school have autism or learning difficulties then? Right-oh! I know for a fact that one of the children who is regularly very very naughty at school (I know his parents very well) doesn't have autism or learning difficulties, he is just plain naughty, yet he gets rewarded for "good days". It's all very well saying parents should be understanding etc, but surely other children matter too apart from those that are naughty or have autism or learning difficulties? Or are we meant to say "Oh it's okay, as my child is normal they can be treated any old how and will put up with anything and everything"?

minimoneysaver

Reggie_Rebel wrote: »

Bit old school (no pun intended) I'd say. Personally I'd make the child miss a play time.

In today's PC world teachers have to be careful that they are not accused of bullying or infringing the human rights so this action means that the child stays in the classroom.

For what it's worth I coach 7 & 8 year olds at football. Any excessive disruption and they sit down for five minutes, do it again and it's ten minutes, third time they go home. We've never had to implement the second or third

If a child misses playtime, who is supposed to stay in with them? That would mean that the teacher would have to stay in, therefore missing a break and not having the chance to go to the toilet or have a drink. Who would be punished then?

Flashdaisy

minimoneysaver wrote: »

If a child misses playtime, who is supposed to stay in with them? That would mean that the teacher would have to stay in, therefore missing a break and not having the chance to go to the toilet or have a drink. Who would be punished then?

Why does a teacher need a morning break and afternoon break? They get a lunch hour don't they? Many, many jobs involve working all morning, having a lunch break then working all afternoon. Why can teachers only work in blocks of 1.5 hours?

poet123

I am not saying that every naughty child has Autism, but equally you can't say every naughty child is just that, naughty. Even the child you know well could have some as yet undiagnosed issue, or behavioural difficulties.

No, we are not meant to say my child doesn't matter, nor are we meant to go off on one every time a child misbehaves towards our child. Sometimes weneed to step back, try to remove the emotion, and let it reach a resolution. It is called being grown up.

The afternoon/morning break is for the benefit of the kids, they are always under supervision, so teachers often go without the breaks as they are on playground duty.

Flashdaisy

poet123 wrote: »

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No, we are not meant to say my child doesn't matter, nor are we meant to go off on one every time a child misbehaves towards our child. Sometimes weneed to step back, try to remove the emotion, and let it reach a resolution. It is called being grown up.

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What, and once again find a softly-softly kid-gloved approach to resolve an issue where an innocent child is being bullied by a child who just cannot behave themselves? Do you honestly think it is acceptable for a child to punch people in the face? Would I have been more "grown up" if I'd have just accepted my DD had a black eye and not gone into the school about it? Should I have just thought "Oh well I won't get upset that someone has punched my child".

minimoneysaver

Flashdaisy wrote: »

Why does a teacher need a morning break and afternoon break? They get a lunch hour don't they? Many, many jobs involve working all morning, having a lunch break then working all afternoon. Why can teachers only work in blocks of 1.5 hours?

You are joking aren't you? Many schools don't have an afternoon break in the juniors anymore. When else is a teacher supposed to go to the toilet/prepare resources/call parents/deal with administration/plan trips/generally relax and have a drink?

Flashdaisy

minimoneysaver wrote: »

You are joking aren't you? Many schools don't have an afternoon break in the juniors anymore. When else is a teacher supposed to go to the toilet/prepare resources/call parents/deal with administration/plan trips/generally relax and have a drink?

Go to the toilet - lunchtime perhaps like people who do jobs where they don't get a morning/afternoon break have to? Or leave the class with the teaching assistant for 2 minutes?

Call parents - lunchtime or after school?

Prepare resources - After school perhaps? You could stay at work until 5pm like lots of other professions require their employees to do.

Deal with administration - Same as prepare resources.

Plan trips - as above

Generally relax - maybe in the evenings in your own time, like people in other professions have to? Or in your lunch hour?

Have a drink - I seem to remember most teachers when I was at school drinking during lessons. Children drink in lessons from water bottles, can teachers not do the same?

poet123

No, of course you needed to go into to school, just not with the "raging bull" attitude which is suggested by your posts. "Innocent" and "bullied" are emotive words often bandied about without any actual foundation.

I reiterate it is not acceptable for anyone to be punched, but you do need to look at the reasons behind it, and take a grown up stance. Shouting and bawling never solves anything.

Flashdaisy

poet123 wrote: »

No, of course you needed to go into to school, just not with the "raging bull" attitude which is suggested by your posts. "Innocent" and "bullied" are emotive words often bandied about without any actual foundation.

I reiterate it is not acceptable for anyone to be punched, but you do need to look at the reasons behind it, and take a grown up stance. Shouting and bawling never solves anything.

Raging bull? Shouting and bawling? How rude of you to insinuate that I did any of those. Clearly by your posts you are a teacher too and I am damn glad you do not teach any of my children as you seem very judgemental!