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jayef

We have been on current year assessment for 2 years now. I was slightly surprised to be 'automatically' put onto CYA this year using the same details as last year.

For next year it would be (slightly) advantageous to go back to the 'normal' retrospective basis. Is it possible to elect to go back to the retrospective assessment basis or are you permanently on CYA once you have moved to it?

I can't see anything on the Student Finance site that specifically covers this. Everything seems to be related to switching TO CYA rather than from it.

nick65g

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

You seem not to know that these rules would also apply to British students who had been living abroad before the course started.

Hi, I know about British students also; but I was focus on EU students only; sorry to omit UK natives in my post; The message is a warning that the law is written to catch on wrong leg most EU coming in UK; Usually future EU students did not read beforehand all not visible articles of the rules. The info is deep hided in regulations, not very often mentioned (if ever);

I obey all the laws in the country where I am living. But I dislike that very important COMMON rules [allover mandatory] are not quoted (is similar as small print on bank contract).:money:

I challenge someone to provide me a link to this rule, for family member EU migrant worker status, starting from any web page of SLC Student Loan Company; if not possible then from SFE Student Finance England maybe?, If still not, then from even gov.uk site?

So, I kindly ask to be enlighten, how a EU national should proceed to arrive to this rule (not random google).

Oldernotwiser

nick65g wrote: »

Hi, I know about British students also; but I was focus on EU students only; sorry to omit UK natives in my post; The message is a warning that the law is written to catch on wrong leg most EU coming in UK; Usually future EU students did not read beforehand all not visible articles of the rules. The info is deep hided in regulations, not very often mentioned (if ever);

I obey all the laws in the country where I am living. But I dislike that very important COMMON rules [allover mandatory] are not quoted (is similar as small print on bank contract).:money:

I challenge someone to provide me a link to this rule, for EU students, starting from any page of SLC Student Loan Company, SFE Student finance England, or even gov.uk site. So, I kindly ask to be enlighten, how a EU national should proceed to arrive to this rule (not random google).

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/EducationAndLearning/UniversityAndHigherEducation/StudentFinance/StudentsFromOtherEUCountries/DG_070143

nick65g

to Oldernotwiser

Thank you! You proved my point that I have right, no info is here about my case because:
As you see the are 3 conditions here;
1. you qualify as someone who has lived in ‘the UK or Islands’ (the UK plus the Channel Islands and Isle of Man ) for more than three years, or

2 as a student from England who is returning to the UK to study, or

3 you qualify through EEA or Swiss migrant worker status, or as the child of someone who has Turkish worker status

There are 3 INDEPENDENTconditions, separated by word OR.

Then,
1. Lived in the UK for more than three years?

....you are living in England, Northern Ireland or Wales at the time when your course starts (this is 1 September for a course that starts in the autumn).
[only here 01 sept is requested] - my child does not qualify here

2 Students from England returning to the UK to study

... my child does not qualify here

3 EEA or Swiss migrant workers and children of Turkish workers

... have EEA or Swiss migrant worker status - or you're a family member of someone who does ...YES, my child does qualify here

I have read pages like this tens times before.

Taiko

Whilst you may have met those, you failed to meet the first day of the academic year criteria, so are ineligible. There's no question about this.

nick65g

Taiko wrote: »

Whilst you may have met those, you failed to meet the first day of the academic year criteria, so are ineligible. There's no question about this.

I agree with you. In my previous posts I said this. I just want underline here, again, that I continued the discusion only to prove to the forum members that

1.The SLC and SFE rules are not public info in completly form on their web sites (aka sometimes misleading). The summary is:

You (EU student) will get the Maintenance Load (for help withthe living cost) ONLY if (in ADDITION to other specific conditions!) you are ordinary resident on first day of first year course.
If you lose this chance, it is for ever, aka all 3-4 study years...

to Oldernotwiser: the UKCISA site is OK, if you know about its existence; I did not, just used ALL web pages on SLC, SFE, gov.uk as is resonable, I am not a lawyer.

2 The message is a warning that the law is written to catch on wrong leg most EU coming in UK;

You will find this info in inside the "The Education (Student Support) Regulations 2009", No. 1555, SCHEDULE 1 (=ELIGIBLE STUDENTS), PART 2 (=Categories) interpreteted syncronuos with PART 6 (LOANS FOR LIVING COSTS) CHAPTER 1(QUALIFYING CONDITIONS)

I stop my demonstration now. It is not about my child eligibility; it is about clear info, publicaly available in common places where wanabe EU students should look for cloues;

I like the moneysaverexpert site advices, which I used for years, so this is my contribution back to the community;

Take care, if laws would be very clear then lawyer will have not a job.

Taiko

But it is clear, and the websites do make reference to the regulations governing this. If the website stated it word for word, the majority would still not read it.

Savvy_Sue

nick65g wrote: »

The message is a warning that the law is written to catch on wrong leg most EU coming in UK;

I seriously doubt that things are worded and presented in this way with the sole aim of 'catching out' potential students from the EU.

The DirectGov web pages all have a box at the bottom, don't they, where comments can be made. If your comments are really to help, they would be better directed there than here, where very few of us are from the EU. Or find sites aimed at EU nationals.

Taiko wrote: »

If the website stated it word for word, the majority would still not read it.

Too true. One or two pages of DirectGov is usually enough to make me lose the will to live ...

Oldernotwiser

nick65g wrote: »

I agree with you. In my previous posts I said this. I just want underline here, again, that I continued the discusion only to prove to the forum members that

1.The SLC and SFE rules are not public info in completly form on their web sites (aka sometimes misleading). The summary is:

You (EU student) will get the Maintenance Load (for help withthe living cost) ONLY if (in ADDITION to other specific conditions!) you are ordinary resident on first day of first year course.
If you lose this chance, it is for ever, aka all 3-4 study years...

to Oldernotwiser: the UKCISA site is OK, if you know about its existence; I did not, just used ALL web pages on SLC, SFE, gov.uk as is resonable, I am not a lawyer.

2 The message is a warning that the law is written to catch on wrong leg most EU coming in UK;

You will find this info in inside the "The Education (Student Support) Regulations 2009", No. 1555, SCHEDULE 1 (=ELIGIBLE STUDENTS), PART 2 (=Categories) interpreteted syncronuos with PART 6 (LOANS FOR LIVING COSTS) CHAPTER 1(QUALIFYING CONDITIONS)

I stop my demonstration now. It is not about my child eligibility; it is about clear info, publicaly available in common places where wanabe EU students should look for cloues;

I like the moneysaverexpert site advices, which I used for years, so this is my contribution back to the community;

Take care, if laws would be very clear then lawyer will have not a job.

I do wonder whether the rules for UK/EU/EEA students wanting to study in your own country are as clear and detailed as those for people wanting to study in the UK. It certainly isn't the case for many other countries I'm familiar with.

TwoKicker

I have been accepted onto a Masters programme for next year.

I previously did my MChem but quit after 4 months in the 4th year to take my BSc instead.

I recieved a two instalments of a maintenance loan in the 4th year but did not need to take the tuition fee loan as there was no charge.

Anybody know if it will be possible for me to take a tuition fee loan for a Masters programme. ANd/Or a Maintenance loan?

Thanks a lot in advance for any advice!