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DCodd

phlogeston wrote: »

So you are being charged for playing the radio!

Your employees are not charged for listening to it.

This is the point we are trying to make! The palying of the radio is NOT covered by the Act, the playing of the WORK is and as a radio is Broadcast receiving equipment then the playing is being done by the Radio Station not the Radio and the Radio station has paid to Play the Work!!!!

marleyboy

phlogeston wrote: »

So you are being charged for playing the radio!

Your employees are not charged for listening to it.

Great bit of detective work, apart from one flaw, I am an employee, the company was told that the playing of a radio (that you say isn't included), means the paying of the fee, as more than one employee (not members of the public) can hear it. I am sure I said this clearly before but cant understand which bit you are confused about.

Am I to surmise that what you mean now, is if I own a radio, I now have to pay a fee for playing it?

DCodd

Apologies for bringing this up again but I have a proposition for all posters on both sides of the argument.

I have posted a petition on the Number 10 website asking for the Government to clarify what constitutes a breach of the Copyright, designs and Patent Act with regards to the listening of Radios.

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Clarify-PRS/

From what I have been able to gather from the website, if we get over 500 signatures the Government will respond to it.

I urge all who have an opinion to read and then sign the petition, if you agree with the wording of course, to hopefully put in motion a clarification, once and for all, on this subject.

If you sign the petition and the Government responds you will receive an e-mail from the Number 10 website with that response.:D

marleyboy

Count me in

phlogeston

marleyboy wrote: »

Am I to surmise that what you mean now, is if I own a radio, I now have to pay a fee for playing it?

Yes. Duh.

That is the point of the whole thread.

If you PLAY your radio in public you will be charged for PLAYING it.

No one is charged for LISTENING to it.

marleyboy

phlogeston wrote: »

Yes. Duh.

That is the point of the whole thread.

If you PLAY your radio in public you will be charged for PLAYING it.

No one is charged for LISTENING to it.

To repeat myself

I am an employee, the company was told that the playing of a radio (that you say isn't included), means the paying of the fee, as more than one employee (not members of the public) can hear it.

Our company is exclusively PRIVATE to the public, its what is commonly known as a business premises, not some shop, restaurant, or open to the public. As far as I am STILL aware, radio1 or any other radio station I know of, pay a fee for playing the music, which in effect means I am LISTENING to a radio station, PLAYING music on MY radio. A question you STILL have managed to avoid answering, re, the Licence fee of any broadcasting station that already pays the fee.

Where do we draw the line here, should I for example, turn OFF my radio at home, should I have visitors?

DCodd

phlogeston wrote: »

Yes. Duh.

That is the point of the whole thread.

If you PLAY your radio in public you will be charged for PLAYING it.

No one is charged for LISTENING to it.

Go On Sign the petition and lets get an answer! You know you want too!!!!;)

Bamber19

phlogeston wrote: »

You don't need a precendent in law if to prove a statute exists, the precedent is merely an interpretation of how a statute is applied.

The law exists - no one has successfully argued in a court of law that it doesn't exist. Therefore, there is no precedent to support your argument.

That's really not how the law works. anyone is free to attempt to rely on their own interpretation of the law and make demands based on this but until it has actually been to court and had a legal interpretation there's no certainty whatsoever.

DCodd

DCodd wrote: »

Apologies for bringing this up again but I have a proposition for all posters on both sides of the argument.

I have posted a petition on the Number 10 website asking for the Government to clarify what constitutes a breach of the Copyright, designs and Patent Act with regards to the listening of Radios.

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Clarify-PRS/

From what I have been able to gather from the website, if we get over 500 signatures the Government will respond to it.

I urge all who have an opinion to read and then sign the petition, if you agree with the wording of course, to hopefully put in motion a clarification, once and for all, on this subject.

If you sign the petition and the Government responds you will receive an e-mail from the Number 10 website with that response.:D

108 signatures so far - need another 392 for a response!!

marleyboy

Keep bumping the thread dCodd mate We will get there in the end......In the meantime feel free to listen to your radio MINUS the headphones