Nursery Fees - am I entitled to request a refund?

stardoman

LinasPilibaitisisbatman wrote: »

And if it was abuse why havent the police been involved.

In reality its some overprotective mother who doesnt have a clue what to do in such situations and who doesnt realise a notice means very little in real terms.

Well, I am a mother of 3 and was also a registered childminder for 3 years. I have never, ever had to use scissors to cut clothes off a child. If the child is upset and moving surely there is a risk of injuring the child with the scissors. If a nursery did this to a child of mine I would complain loudly wherever I could. It is not being overprotective imho.

How can anyone thing that cutting pants off an upset child is in any way acceptable?

Shocked, Mandy.

OlliesDad

So LinasPilibaitisisbatman, how many kids do you have?

If the nursery were able to keep the child still long enough to cut his clothes, why could they not quickly take the trousers down instead? Cutting through clothes is no easy task.

And before anyone else says the child must have been in so much distress cutting through was the only option, kids do get worked up very easily and calm down quickly. Nursery staff should be trained to deal with these situations and if not, maybe they should consider an alternative career!

Anthillmob

at last people and parents with BRAIN CELLS.

milliemonster

IMO, the nursery should have phoned the OP explained that theri child had soiled himself and that they were having difficulty persuading him to be changed and could she come in to change him? surely that's what they should have done without resorting to cutting his clothes off!

When my son was at preschool only a couple of years ago they had very strict guidelines on cleaning up children now and afaik are not allowed to do so and have to call the parent or guardian in.

I don't think the OP is being overprotective at all, what would have happened if in the struggle the child accidentally got stabbed?

Poppy9

I too am horrified that a nursery takes scissors to cut off a child's pants.

I only have one child and I don't recall her ever soiling herself but I can't imagine she would have become distressed about it.

I have 8 neices and nephews and I've cleaned up a couple of them after having accidents but they didn't get upset about it and I just got on with sorting them out.

Is it normal for children to become severely distressed by soiling themselves that you cannot even remove their dirty pants? Wouldn't they only react like this if adults had implied to them that it was very naughty to soil yourself? If a child is constantly soiling themself either they are not ready for potty training or there is some other issue.

Either way taking a pair of scissors to them is frightening and not helping and I would not have placed my DD in a nursery that practiced this.

If I was OP and had concerns I would have contacted my local Social Services about their practices.

mrcow

Are some people seriously trying to say that it is acceptable to cut clothing from a child with scissors?!

Sheesh - the kid is 3. I could get their trousers off them in 30 seconds with no scissors! Soiled or not.

What the OP has described is bloody horrific! i'd be furious. And yes.......get the refund!

Caroline73_2

milliemonster wrote: »

IMO, the nursery should have phoned the OP explained that theri child had soiled himself and that they were having difficulty persuading him to be changed and could she come in to change him? surely that's what they should have done without resorting to cutting his clothes off!

When my son was at preschool only a couple of years ago they had very strict guidelines on cleaning up children now and afaik are not allowed to do so and have to call the parent or guardian in.

I don't think the OP is being overprotective at all, what would have happened if in the struggle the child accidentally got stabbed?

Pre school workers aren't allowed to change the children? What if the parent was at work? They would have to leave the child sitting in faeces or urine until the parent got there?

Anthillmob

poppy you have hit the nail on the head there.

Is it normal for children to become severely distressed by soiling themselves that you cannot even remove their dirty pants? Wouldn't they only react like this if adults had implied to them that it was very naughty to soil yourself?

it isnt normal. and would only become aparent if the child was conti nually told that soiling themselves was dirty. children are very sensitive about things but other things they let them go over their heads. soiling onself, if they are continually told is dirty, will add to problems.

if a child soils itself them so be it. babies in nappies do it all the time. are those of you who are for the scissor method telling me that you are disgusted by this? its nature. once upon a time you soiled yourself. kids have toilet accidents in their pants. no big deal.

my kids nursery, when chops was toilet training, a few changes of clothes and extra pants and jobs a goodun. if she had a particularly horrid one then the knickers would be disposed of in the rubbish. with my blessing. just plain knickers from woolies. [dont anyone mention the ones that went through the wash] i must have thrown away loads of pairs as did nursery. but no fuss made. make a fuss and then youll have problems toilet training them.

Poppy9

elainew wrote: »

I wouldnt say its written down in black and white but we used to tell our parents not to buy expensive character pants but cheap primark ones. Usually when potty training you find the child poo's then sits in it and without sounding graphic--it goes EVERYWHERE !!! The easy way to avoid much upset is to cut them off. I did it with my own child--its quick, its easy and it doesnt put them off potty training !

I wonder why it wasn't a written policy:rolleyes:.

I cannot believe that a nursery would actually allow this!

Anthillmob

Caroline73 wrote: »

Pre school workers aren't allowed to change the children? What if the parent was at work? They would have to leave the child sitting in faeces or urine until the parent got there?

chops is at preschool but at a private nursery so im not sure if the rules differ. if they do its because of stupid do-gooders and their silly rules.