Advice on Teeth Whitening Discussion Thread

Toothsmith

jasperconran wrote: »

Teeth whitening is a big money making market, whether people agree with it or not, is irrelevant. people are paying for it, demand is high. Its down to the individual, is it not, to decide whether or not they should or shouldnt proceed???

So demand trumps the law?? Interesting concept!

Do you work for News of the World?

Drug dealers will be rejoicing!

brook2jack

TS knows more about this than me but the difference between a laser and led is your friend with her mobile whitening business would never be allowed to use a laser on someone as you have to comply with many laws, rules and regulations governing their use and maintainance . Many dodgy outfits talk about "lazer" whitening etc but all they are talking about is a bright light. Medical lasers cost thousands of pounds , a bright light a few quid. Medical lasers used in dentistry have a few specialised uses none of them tooth whitening.

All led is is a heat source, it heats up solutions. In practice it also dries the teeth out so they initially look whiter due to dehydration but then fade as teeth are rehydrated. This is why many research papers have shown whitening using lights such as led is essentially not effective without a home tray system.

Anyone considering tooth whitening has the right to know that it may not be suitable for them, it may make certain dental conditions alot worse, it has risks, they must be dentally fit to have it carried out and it is illegal for anyone other than a dental professional to carry it out. There has been a sucessful prosecution recently and more are following http://www.dentistry.co.uk/news/3845--Teeth-whitening-Teeth-Whitening-UK-Tooth-whitening-Tooth-whitening-GDC-wins-first-ever-qaposil
http://www.gdc-uk.org/Membersofpublic/Illegalpractice/Pages/Tooth-whitening.aspx

jasperconran

brook2jack wrote: »

All led is is a heat source, it heats up solutions. In practice it also dries the teeth out so they initially look whiter due to dehydration but then fade as teeth are rehydrated. This is why many research papers have shown whitening using lights such as led is essentially not effective without a home tray system.


As far as I am aware, she uses a solution before applying the gel which stops the teeth from dehydrating and stops any sensitivity issues. and believe me, the LED light system is very effective and she has had some great results with no after effects.

need to get off your soap box mate!

Toothsmith

jasperconran wrote: »

As far as I am aware, she uses a solution before applying the gel which stops the teeth from dehydrating and stops any sensitivity issues. and believe me, the LED light system is very effective and she has had some great results with no after effects.

need to get off your soap box mate!

So something 'magic' goes on the teeth that 'magically' stops water getting out whilst letting the other 'magic' chemical - sorry 100% natural thing that isn't a chemical - get in, and once a 'magic' light is waved at it, this 'magic' substance that is a completely different state of matter to anything known before by physics or chemistry, will change the colour of the hardest known natural substance without the slightest possibility of harming anything else?

You have as uneasy grasp of science as you do the law jasper! :rotfl:

brook2jack

Facinating because for whitening to work the chemical actually needs to reach the enamel and penetrate it yet the enamel is coated with a "solution" that stops dehydration. Chemically impossible, clinically impossible. But that is by the bye. The end result is that what your friend is doing is illegal and illegal for good reason.

There have been prosecutions and trading standards have started raiding suppliers warning them under caution they will also be prosecuted if they supply to non dentists. I'm sorry if that's not what you wanted to hear but now the test case has been sucessfully prosecuted there is no legal doubt remaining.

if you had seen some of the appalling damage done by illegal whitening i'm sure you would want to protect people too. It is not just dentists who are worried by this organisations such as which regularly campaign as well http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7014615.stm

jasperconran

look,

She has had no issues and hasnt harmed anyone. The main reason why she didnt want to use any form of peroxide is cos she had seen pictures of what can happen when you use that stuff if you dont know what you are doing.

tooth whitening was passed by law as cosmetic, not dentistry. As far as I am aware (although I would have to check) there are now many salons that offer tooth whitening as part of their beauty services, whether its peroxide or not, I do not know.

I had also heard that the EU are trying to get the use of peroxide banned anyway, because of the permanent damage it can cause.

But as I said in previous posts, I was just giving another opinion to this discussion. But I do feel that I have failed in getting my point across. However, I will pass your links onto my friend.

brook2jack

Jaspar toothwhitening is by law practicing dentistry and it is illegal for a non dentist to do it regardless of the system they use. I'm sorry but you are wrong here's the proof from the GDC website

25 March 2011

Defendant pleads guilty in tooth whitening case

The General Dental Council (GDC), has successfully prosecuted a non-registrant for performing tooth whitening, which the GDC regards as the practice of dentistry.

On Wednesday at City of Westminster Magistrates Court in London 48 year old Paul William Hill of Warrington, Director of PW Healthcare Consulting Limited, pleaded guilty to four offences including practising dentistry while not registered as a dentist or dental care professional between 2 October 2010 and 11 March 2011. Under the Dentists Act 1984 it is an offence for non-registrants to practise or be prepared to practise dentistry.

Mr Hill has been ordered to pay a total of £6,265 in fines and costs and PW Healthcare Consulting Limited, which traded nationally as Style Smile Clinics, has been ordered to pay a total of £6,765. The amounts include costs of £5,500 for the GDC.

The GDC launched the case last year after it received hundreds of complaints from members of the public and dental professionals about tooth whitening treatment being provided by individuals who are not registered dental professionals.

jasperconran

already read it dude.....bored now :rotfl:

brook2jack

Sorry if you are bored but it may save someone alot of pain and permanent damage if they realise anyone other than a dentist or dentist prescribed therapist or hygienist carrying out teeth whitening using any system or product is breaking the law and they have no protection if they are harmed.

That is the law despite what you said in your previous posting, it doesn't matter if the product is 100% natural or 100% manufactured by aliens it is still illegal.

The people making the bigbucks are those selling franchises to the illinformed and unqualified who spend alot of money buying into a business that they have no idea is illegal and harmful. There are plenty of beauty salons near to me with equipment they paid a fortune for assuaged by the sales promises that now sit unused because they became aware of their legal and insurance problems.

jasperconran

and as I said before, my friend has got alot of regular, happy customers who have never, never been in pain or had any discomfort. simply because (I believe) she does not use peroxide of any kind.

She does not use bleach!!!!!!! I have alot of salons near myself, who are regularly using their equipment and doing very well.

We have all got our own opinions on this subject. Technicians who use peroxide, big no no for me. The non peroxide gels, thumbs up!

I agree that alot of dentists do get very upset by this and yes if untrained people are using peroxide, then I agree, its absolutely shameful. But, I believe, that they also get upset cos people are taking away their business. I have also found out, that some dentists actually use over the recommended (legal) percentage of peroxide in their gels. And some dentists are being investigated because of this, so why do people such as yourself, not kick up a big stink over something like that?! Is it because its a dentist, so its ok????

People need to be careful, people who live in glass houses and all that!