Car scrappage petition

Lemonade_Pockets

I take your point. But lets not pretend that this has that much to do with the environment. Even if it was clear (and there was a definative study) that it was of detriment to the environment, i doubt it would've changed the decision of made by the countries that have choosen to adopt such a scheme.

michaels

Very happy with this statement. What saddens me is I know the Govt will wrap it up in greenwash devaluing everything else they say about the enviroment.

I read about the German scheme and many of the cars scrapped are low mileage and fairly green. My suggestion is to add the option of a 'green swap' to the scheme. Those not trading in their old car for a new one should be allowed to swap their car for one that has been traded in to be scrapped if the one being swapped is more polluting than the one that was to be scrapped. This is green all round as it is a one for one substitution of a less green vehicle for a greener one and allows those who can not afford a new car to benefit from the scheme as well. It might get some of the really low value high polluting vehicles off the road, swapping 15-20 year old Sierras for 9 year old Corsas for example.

Lemonade_Pockets wrote: »

I take your point. But lets not pretend that this has that much to do with the environment. Even if it was clear (and there was a definative study) that it was of detriment to the environment, i doubt it would've changed the decision of made by the countries that have choosen to adopt such a scheme.

goldspanners

michaels wrote: »

It might get some of the really low value high polluting vehicles off the road, swapping 15-20 year old Sierras for 9 year old Corsas for example.

i'll take the 15 - 20 year old sierra please!
i think its a bit of a shame really,especially after doing a bit of a drive over a nice weekend like that, seeing some really nice classic cars on the roads,there wont be any modern classics of the future at this rate,cal me sentimental if you like but i do think its a bit of a tradgedy.

AdrianHi

Lemonade_Pockets wrote: »

I take your point. But lets not pretend that this has that much to do with the environment. Even if it was clear (and there was a definative study) that it was of detriment to the environment, i doubt it would've changed the decision of made by the countries that have choosen to adopt such a scheme.

Yeah, it's all about trying to save jobs for sure, with a bit of "it's good for the environment too, honest guv." thrown in for extra browny points.
I doubt they have had time for a proper life cycle analysis acroos all manufacturers, which are hard to do, my wife has been involved in some for the waste treatment industry.

Lemonade_Pockets

AdrianHi wrote: »

Yeah, it's all about trying to save jobs for sure, with a bit of "it's good for the environment too, honest guv." thrown in for extra browny points.
I doubt they have had time for a proper life cycle analysis acroos all manufacturers, which are hard to do, my wife has been involved in some for the waste treatment industry.

hehehe, yeah they're obviously trying to be seen to be green. Probably because they know there is no data to conclusively prove otherwise.

I'd hate to think how carrying out the survey that you are suggesting would cost. I would say its pretty much impossible especially if you want to go all the back to the raw materials. We'd probably be on hydrogen by the time they'd finished it.

AdrianHi

What the heck, I'll post this up:
Nappies - lifecycle analysis done by DEFRA, 37 pages long
http://randd.defra.gov.uk/Document.aspx?Document=WR0705_7589_FRP.pdf

Now go do the same for producing a car :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:, how big would that document be.