Teachers demand 10% pay rise

Cleaver

jamespmg44 wrote: »

Both my parents are teachers so I have a fair idea of the dedication that some teachers put in, but they see it as a vocation and get an enormous amount of job satisfaction.

The point still stands that no profession deserves a 10% pay rise across the board.

So how would you do it? What pay policies would you put in over the next five years to ensure quality teaching?

I ask because you obviously have a rational viewpoint on this rather than for an argument. Everyone seems to slating the idea of a 2% a year payrise, but coming up with no viable solutions of how to incentivise and reward good teaching.

zedyy

Cleaver wrote: »

Yes, god forbid that the people who educate our children actually question the way we assess educational performance. I agree with you and wish these pesky teachers would leave it up to Government bodies and the Educational Select Committee to decide what's best for children. If there's one thing I'm sure of, it's the fact that people who never set foot in a classroom know what's best for children. Yes siree.

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And who do you think makes up these Curriculums, builders? No. It's learned intellectuals who have probably been teachers but yeh, God forbid teachers do their job of teaching, next they'll be wanting a say on the UK's foreign policy and wanting a teacher representative on the G20's panel.

jamespmg44

Cleaver wrote: »

So how would you do it? What pay policies would you put in over the next five years to ensure quality teaching?

I ask because you obviously have a rational viewpoint on this rather than for an argument. Everyone seems to slating the idea of a 2% a year payrise, but coming up with no viable solutions of how to incentivise and reward good teaching.

I think that's the problem - an across the board payrise that's guaranteed can't incentivise good performance. If you know exactly what you're going to get, wheres the incentive to excell?

There should be an annual review carried out to assess individual performance measured on a combination of exam results and increasing achievement of struggling pupils (so it doesn't penalise those teachers who get poorer students).

In Scotland, there was a deal for teachers called the McCrone deal which gave substantial pay rises across the board and lead to additional teacher recruitment - since then, my folks have commented that it is obvious to see those teachers who are just in it for the money and they generally make the worse teachers.

Rummer

I think that is a sweeping generalisation Jamesspmg44 in relation to the Scottish teaching system, what it did do was encourage a number of professionals from different areas to retrain as teachers bringing a wealth of new experiences and knowledge to the Scottish education system

Jennifer_Jane

TEDDYRUKSPIN wrote: »

I believe everyone is trying to say that at this time asking for a payrise is taking the big 'P'. Teachers, nurses, doctors and the police are way overpaid compared to other countries. Compare the salaries to like Australia and you know what I mean.

Teachers have recently obtained a decent payrise and now being greedy. You all get the summer and other holidays off as well. As for Lindsay saying that you doing work after work, so do many other people who earn an average of £22k and above. Nothing is free. I can also tell you that you do have it easy than most people. I have friends in teaching and they love it. They came from other jobs that paid £30k a year and completely hated it. They moved to teaching and just on a starting salary of £22k. Then this quickly rised to £30k as you took on more responsibility etc.

Average salary for a teacher is roughly £30k per year. It is up to you to take on more responsibility. If you are depressed in your current school, you should study to gain more responsibility and then move to another school who will up your pay.

Head teachers are even on the £60k plus.

So stop moaning. Live with it!

The average salary is now only £16k.

Teddy - is this comparison based on the relevant costs of living/housing/etc in the two countries?

Thanks
Jen
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jamespmg44

Rummer wrote: »

I think that is a sweeping generalisation Jamesspmg44 in relation to the Scottish teaching system, what it did do was encourage a number of professionals from different areas to retrain as teachers bringing a wealth of new experiences and knowledge to the Scottish education system

It may have incentivised people to retrain who subsequently found out they had a vocation for teaching and enjoy the job (I wouldn't class those people as being in it for the money). But it also lead to a lot of people taking up teaching purely for the salary - which in Scotland at least is well above the average salary. They hate the job and are constantly complaining but will continue to stick at it because they like the salary hitting their bank every month.

It's teachers like that who are damaging pupils education and they certainly don't need to be encouraged to keep teaching with a guaranteed pay rise.

Rummer

As other posters have mentioned however it would be difficult to grade the payscale based on performance especially at the primary level when you are working with a range of children with a variety of abilities and needs so results are not a reliable method of assessment in relation to salary.

treliac

jamespmg44 wrote: »

I think that's the problem - an across the board payrise that's guaranteed can't incentivise good performance. If you know exactly what you're going to get, wheres the incentive to excell?

There should be an annual review carried out to assess individual performance measured on a combination of exam results and increasing achievement of struggling pupils (so it doesn't penalise those teachers who get poorer students).

Seems a reasonable approach. Good, committed staff should be rewarded and those who are poor should be weeded out; certainly not given equal reward. IMO this applies across all sectors.

As for comparison with the private sector - yes many are losing their jobs but this is not reason to 'punish' all workers. Many in the private sector will keep their jobs and will get pay rises.

Geoffo_M

I think they are reacting to the news that NHS foundation trusts have been awarding their ceos/senior staff up to 150% increase. Government made the blunder (ok another blunder) of allowing PCTs to determine their own pay awards. Now why does that remind me of GPs as well?

epz_2

I think the point a lot of people are missing it public spending has to come down not track growth.


There is no if's or but's, brown gave them decade of extra cash, now its pay up time. The money will simply not be there, as i see it they have 3 options.

1) work harder and we sack some
2) work for less
3) giveup a chunk of your pension.

Inflation will make 2 easier politically but its a hard world, learn to deal with it, plenty others are going to get it worse.