Teachers demand 10% pay rise

Jennifer_Jane

zedyy wrote: »

10%? That's outrageous - They should be lucky they have a job. This isn't good especially compounded by the fiasco they are causing about exams by slacking off and demanding the scrapping of key performance indicators such as SATS.

Isn't this only about 2% per annum? I got 2.8% this year and my bonus and complained!

And I'm not trying to educate the Country's future citizens.

Jen
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dylansmum

epz wrote: »

I think the point a lot of people are missing it public spending has to come down not track growth.


There is no if's or but's, brown gave them decade of extra cash, now its pay up time. The money will simply not be there, as i see it they have 3 options.

1) work harder and we sack some
2) work for less
3) giveup a chunk of your pension.

Inflation will make 2 easier politically but its a hard world, learn to deal with it, plenty others are going to get it worse.

Well now - the public sector is being privatised little by little. Monies for PFI (profit for incompentence) have gone to contractors such as Lang and HSBC for new hospitals. They build the hospital and we pay a huge mortgage! Government has mortaged away our public services. (DWP, Sure Start, Health, educational services and on and on)..to think the 'cash' has gone on pay rises alone is just not true. Still, some of it has gone on private contractors' staff's pay rises. And privatisation will continue...

10% over five years. As I said before, let's all pay NO tax and pay for education, health etc privately. At the rate we're going this may end up being the 'choice'! Please don't take public services for granted,

Lavendyr

Cleaver wrote: »

Would you guys really not approve a teacher that had a continual track record or inspiring your kids to a financial incentive? I agree, a 10%, accross the board payrise isn't the answer. But relating teachers pay to the wider economy is as stupid as it is shortsighted, and the comments on here, such as "teachers earn enough already. It's an easy job. They get loads of holidays" are just pointlessly simplistic.

I am in absolute agreement with you. Teachers who work hard, demonstrate passion and drive and who achieve results with their students should be rewarded, as in any other career. Anyone who performs well and achieves good results deserves to be recognised for it and should be awarded a payrise based on their merits.

However I totally disagree with the idea of an 'across the board' 10% pay increase, just for being a teacher. Yes, teachers have a challenging job, but payrises should be based on their ability to do that job well, not merely the fact that they are doing the job at all. Especially at a time when many people face redundancy and are having to work incredibly hard just to keep their job, I can see why it appears greedy that teachers, en masse, want a pay increase simply for being teachers.

Rummer

What would you define as doing a good job though? Results alone do not reflect teaching ability.

jamespmg44

Rummer wrote: »

What would you define as doing a good job though? Results alone do not reflect teaching ability.

I agree that exam results don't necessarily reflect teaching ability so that should only make up part of the assessment, other factors such as improving attendence for truants, increasing participation in extra curricular activities could also betaken into account.

Rummer

Those ideas are mainly linked to secondary, what about primary teachers.

epz_2

dylansmum wrote: »

Well now - the public sector is being privatised little by little. Monies for PFI (profit for incompentence) have gone to contractors such as Lang and HSBC for new hospitals. They build the hospital and we pay a huge mortgage! Government has mortaged away our public services. (DWP, Sure Start, Health, educational services and on and on)..to think the 'cash' has gone on pay rises alone is just not true. Still, some of it has gone on private contractors' staff's pay rises. And privatisation will continue...

10% over five years. As I said before, let's all pay NO tax and pay for education, health etc privately. At the rate we're going this may end up being the 'choice'! Please don't take public services for granted,

I suspect the reason labour liked pfi so much in the first place was it tied any future governement into its spending plans (and the local authority kick backs).

That said it doesnt resove the issue, the money has been spent, you cant put up taxes any more or it will reduce the total tax take so the only option the public sector will have is work for less or do more and we employ less of them.

jamespmg44

Rummer wrote: »

Those ideas are mainly linked to secondary, what about primary teachers.

Primary could maybe be based on measuring the kids key skills ability at the start of the year - 3rs, and then assess it at the end of the year.

Castleman

alipops1986 wrote: »

Thankyou!! :beer:
Appreciation where it's due and a little more of an indepth opinion!

I thought if my job as a teacher was as easy as most on here seem to think, everyone would be at it and there wouldn't be a shortage!!

I think you've missed the point. The poster wasn't appreciating you, he was appreciating someone who has worked hard for years in their job as a teacher producing good results and therefore deserves to be well paid.

You don't deserve a payrise just because the training is hard. What other training have you done? Accountancy, law, engineering, medical professional qualifications? What is hard for you might be easy for others and vice versa. I know people who found PGCE and NQT years easy.

I know plenty of teachers and ex-teachers. My sister works 6/7 days a week, 14hours a day in a tough school because she loves it. She turned down very highly paid positions to do what she does. An ex flatmate used to leave at the same time as me, get back before me in the afternoon, do no work outside of school and still be one of the most loved teachers (by kids and staff) in the school with great results. He stopped being a teacher because it wasn't what he wanted, he wanted something challenging in a different way.
Three other friends have stopped being teachers because they decided that it wasn't what they wanted and not challenging enough. Oh, and they;ve taken lower paid jobs, that aren't certain in the current economic situation.

Just because you find it hard work doesn't mean a) everyone else would and b) it deserves to be paid stupidly well.

Having said all that, I think performance related pay should be introduced for teachers, and the majority should be paid more.

artagnan1978

It seems a little bit exaggerate for me... maybe if there were other times and other circumstances... but not in the current economical crisis.

Yes, sure I would like to get a rise too... But for now, I am pleased that I still have a job.

It is not the best time for any social categories to ask for a rise!