Teachers demand 10% pay rise

Castleman

Jennifer_Jane wrote: »

Isn't this only about 2% per annum? I got 2.8% this year and my bonus and complained!

And I'm not trying to educate the Country's future citizens.

Jen
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What sector are you in? Lucky you.

I got 0% and no bonus like many others.

neas

It seems as a country we've resorted to coersion to get what we want.

First the petrol tank drivers striking... causing a petrol shortage, next teachers demanding pay rises.

No offence but we are in a recession, i know personally of 5 people who have lost their private jobs, been forced to take 40% pay cuts when they change job.... and work unsociable hours.

Why should every public sectory employee be given a golden spoon when the rest of the country is struggling, struggling hard to survive? We are :

1. Getting on average pay cuts...not rises (yes we have the same problems teachers face... rising inflation, bills etc).
2. Faced with significant job insecurity over the next 3-4 years as the private industry buckles under the weight of supporting the public sector.

During the good year... we could afford such nonsense as overpaying the public sectory... but now those times are gone. Just where is this extra money gonna come from?

ad44downey

Teachers and other public servants should be getting a paycut given the fact that they have job security/overly generous pensions that most other people don't enjoy.

alipops1986

Castleman wrote: »

I think you've missed the point. The poster wasn't appreciating you, he was appreciating someone who has worked hard for years in their job as a teacher producing good results and therefore deserves to be well paid.

You don't deserve a payrise just because the training is hard. What other training have you done? Accountancy, law, engineering, medical professional qualifications? What is hard for you might be easy for others and vice versa. I know people who found PGCE and NQT years easy.

I know plenty of teachers and ex-teachers. My sister works 6/7 days a week, 14hours a day in a tough school because she loves it. She turned down very highly paid positions to do what she does. An ex flatmate used to leave at the same time as me, get back before me in the afternoon, do no work outside of school and still be one of the most loved teachers (by kids and staff) in the school with great results. He stopped being a teacher because it wasn't what he wanted, he wanted something challenging in a different way.
Three other friends have stopped being teachers because they decided that it wasn't what they wanted and not challenging enough. Oh, and they;ve taken lower paid jobs, that aren't certain in the current economic situation.

Just because you find it hard work doesn't mean a) everyone else would and b) it deserves to be paid stupidly well.

Having said all that, I think performance related pay should be introduced for teachers, and the majority should be paid more.

What i was trying to get at, was people assume we do nothing in holidays/after school. Definately not the case for me and the majority of others im sure.

And, the poster was appreciating those who work hard within the teaching profession. Which i am part of and do every day so, yes they are appreciating me as well.

I never assumed everyone would find it difficult. I was merely highlighting it's not a profession you'd choose if you didnt love it or think it was for you, in my opinion.

Really2

I remember saying a while ago most teachers were on over £30K and was cut to shreads on it.

£3K or 10% which ever is higher sounds like most are on over £30K to me.

If not surely they would of asked for £4K/£5K or 10%.

PS to ask for this now takes the PI$$ and they should be ashamed if they don't do it for the money like many have said on here before what the hell is this about.
If they get it it is just robing the kids of computers, text books etc.

Jennifer_Jane

Castleman wrote: »

What sector are you in? Lucky you.

I got 0% and no bonus like many others.

Hmm, apologies, but I give too much info away as it is on this Forum. But I can tell you that I got about average in the Company and not as much as I'd hoped for. If it's any consolation, it has meant an extra £50 a month.

Jen
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Castleman

Jennifer_Jane wrote: »

Hmm, apologies, but I give too much info away as it is on this Forum. But I can tell you that I got about average in the Company and not as much as I'd hoped for. If it's any consolation, it has meant an extra £50 a month.

Jen
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No probs! It's annoying, our business group were all on line to hit targets, then a couple of projects went wrong and we all take the hit. Ne'er mind, not overly important anyway in the grand scheme of things.

Silaqui

I don't think teachers should get a 10% payrise and TBH I left the NUT just before the strike last year because of its unreasonable demands on pay.
I am 24 and a teacher in my 3rd year and earn a good 10K more than most of my friends and some of their parents. (Sounds bigheaded, not meant). Admittedly they didn't go to uni, obviously I did, and I wouldn't cope with my debt repayments on their salary - but thats MY fault.

I love my job but I think as a profession we are well paid enough. The holidays are a nice perk, it's nice not to have to go in and 'perform'.

However, it does bug me (like it does most teachers!) when people slag us off because of those holidays. (Ever tried getting a cheap holiday in the school holidays!?) This Easter I have 2 weeks off. Many of my colleagues are in school throughout the 2 weeks doing 'Easter School' lessons as a raising achievement initiative. I was in Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday marking and worked from home on Thursday, Friday, Saturday. I'm going to try not to do too much this week but will probably end up doing something.

It's a cliche, but YES teachers do often work during the holidays and in the evenings. When else is it gonna get done? When you are teaching, you are teaching - you can't leave the kids to get on with it while you sit at ypour desk and plan a few lessons. And lesson planning takes ages, especially with inclusion meaning that in any one class you could have 4/5 different types of special needs, a couple of gifted and talented students, and some disaffected kids who just don't want to do anything.

I've gone off the point now, sorry.

Really2, assuming no responsibilty it would take you about 6 years to get to 30k.

But, I can't imagine anyone would do it for the money - it's not worth the hassle! I work in quite a nice school, but have to put up with some *ahem* colourful characters in my lessons who have no interest in learning, or even being civil and sitting doing nothing, whatsoever.

If anything, rather than money, it would be nice to have a bit more free time. Currently you get about 2.5 hours non contact time per week in most schools. In that time, you have to plan and resource the other 20odd lessons that you have to teach, mark the work that the kids have done (and give meaningful assessment! no tick tick tick anymore!), and do all the random bits of paperwork that are delivered on a regular basis! No wonder people end up doing it into the evenings!

No payrise - more non contact time, which in turn will open up more jobs for teachers.

xx (sorry for long, rambling post)

Lavendyr

Rummer wrote: »

What would you define as doing a good job though? Results alone do not reflect teaching ability.

I'm hardly an expert, so I'm not really in a position to propose a performance measurement metric for the teaching profession, but off the top of my head some ideas:

- Student attendance/behaviour
- Student performance (as a progression, not an absolute)
- Feedback from other teachers (review of performance e.g. quality of marking)
- Feedback from parents
- Feedback from students
- Exam results
- Periodic lesson inspection by another teacher or external inspector (e.g. council literacy inspectors)

And then obviously a decent appraisal & review process, whereby teachers can set themselves objectives together with an appraiser, and review those objectives each six months to see whether they have met them.

Just some thoughts, as I say, from a layman's perspective. I certainly don't think exam results should be the be-all and end-all but should be taken as part of a well-rounded system for measurement of teaching performance. The point is, it can't be impossible to measure an individual teacher's performance, therefore it should be possible to assess and reward teachers individually, each on their own merits. We've all had good and bad teachers, and I'd certainly like to believe that those who taught well and went 'the extra mile' to inspire their students were fairly rewarded for it (though somehow, unfortunately, I doubt it).

TEDDYRUKSPIN

LOL. This debate is hilarious.

Silaqui.
However, it does bug me (like it does most teachers!) when people slag us off because of those holidays. (Ever tried getting a cheap holiday in the school holidays!?)

LOL. Probably a good few or more people here will have kids? They too must take holidays the same time as you! LOL. What is the difference?

I believe people are really trying to state that the amount of holidays you receive actually means that you lot get paid more by the hour! The summer times usually means you mark examination papers or not to gain more money. That is all your choice.

The matter is basically at this time, you are all taking the P.

Besides, I greatly believe the government will give in to this mainly because the amount of teachers dropping out of this area. No job is easy. No job ever.

But what I do know is that when you get the extra 10% over the 4 to 5 years, the government will just reduce the school budget somehow or just restrict the amount of teacher intake. Seen it, been there, and had the biscuit.

What goes around, comes around!