Teachers demand 10% pay rise

mitchaa

Where has the 5 years come from? I see no such claim in that linked article in the opening post.

If it is a 10% payrise now, they all need their heads looking at. If it's a 10% payrise over the next 5yrs at an average of 2% per year then this is more than acceptable.

If they agree 2% inflation for the next 5yrs i feel they may be shooting themselves in the foot as inflation in my opinion is soon to rocket.

But can someome please confirm if this is NOW, or spread over 5 YEARS?

dylansmum

It was under the pay campaign for 2008 when I looked. This is a backdated claim - teachers' pay was decreased for five years.

mitchaa

dylansmum wrote: »

It was under the pay campaign for 2008 when I looked. This is a backdated claim - teachers' pay was decreased for five years.

So it's 10% now + normal everyday wage inflation for years after that?

Where has 10% come from, you cannot seriously tell me teachers earnings have remained static since 2004?

Castleman

dylansmum wrote: »

But I do support the teachers. My starting salary was 17.5K and it has been a long haul for pay modernisation. So I do not wish to punish other workers for their claims for fair pay.

Problem is...what is fair pay for all workers? I know a couple of Master of Engineering graduates, whose first job was 14hours a day, 6days a week on site in the pouring rain, with contractors who didn't respect them because they were a) female and b) in their 20's, with long commutes or living out of a portocabin, earning £17k but responsible for significant value works. That's not easy either and could do with pay modernisation in my opinion!

dylansmum

mitchaa wrote: »

So it's 10% now + normal everyday wage inflation for years after that?

Where has 10% come from, you cannot seriously tell me teachers earnings have remained static since 2004?

Teachers are getting 2.3% in September 2009 and 2010. The NUT are balloting to recoup the losses made by deflating pay since 2004 - look at the NUT website. All rises were well below infation - and eys this is the same for other workers, but the NUT is there for its own members; this is the point of a union. Without unions (whether you are a member or not)pay and conditions across public and private sectors would be much worse.

So a win on the ballot (which I doubt they will get) would then be a tool for negotiation. Look, unions always start high and then come down - that is how pay bargaining works. If they said oh let's knock our pay down...there would be no point in having collective bargaining.

mitchaa

Scotlands teaching pay structure. Looks to me like they already have a paydeal in place as there are figures for 08/09 09/10 and 10/11

http://www.teachinginscotland.com/tis/119.29.32.html

£33400 after 6yrs as a basic teacher does not seem too bad to me considering the 13wks holiday they receive.

You'll have a 35-hour week, and the most time you’ll spend teaching is 22.5 hours. Probationer teachers, who are on the teacher induction scheme, work 0.7 of the week or 15.75 hours. This means you'll have enough time in the working day for classroom preparation, marking and Continual Professional Development
Every year you'll get 13 weeks holiday at full pay. That means your total working year is 195 days over 39 weeks, with five days for in-service training.

If you teach 22.5hrs out of 35hrs, why the need to take work home with you on evenings and at weekends? This is surely what the 12.5hrs pw is for that you are not teaching?

£33,400/39wks = £856pw

Multiply this by a normal 46wk year and it equates to an equivalant salary of £39,376.

Not too shabby for teaching primary school children if you are asking me.

Really2

mitchaa wrote: »

So it's 10% now + normal everyday wage inflation for years after that?

Where has 10% come from, you cannot seriously tell me teachers earnings have remained static since 2004?

They have not Mitchaa and this is why people get annoyed with teachers.

They keep their pay hidden under scales so the general public rarely know what a teacher earns.

This breeds distrust EG MP expenses claims.

If you hide something it is generally for a reason, perhaps some one ( A Teacher) could give us the reason but I dare say it is because the general public would not like to see what some position earn.

Really2

So it is not over 5 years.

What is going on exactly?

dylansmum

Yes it is - the 10% is backtracked over the last five years to be then added to the 2% agreed for 2009, 10 and onwards. So the rise is not 10% for one year. But unions, as said, negotiate pay - they start with a bargaining tool. This does not mean that teachers want this 10% - the NUt haven't balloted yet!

SingleSue

On a purely emotive basis, I would support a pay rise for teachers but only for the most effective ones...I don't mean exam results here but the more difficult to define. If it wasn't for very dedicated teachers, two of my children would not be doing so well and in main stream.

With my sensible head on and on an economic basis, then yes I agree with others...the country just cannot afford it.

Think that is called sitting on the fence isn't it?