Teachers demand 10% pay rise

Really2

Sorry but if we get deflation does that mean they will take pay drops?

Were they not also balloting for 4 day weeks?

Sorry pay deals should not be back tracked just because they feel it was less than they were worth.

They were done deals. This is holding children for ransom, no other way to see it.

If it was for the next 5 years fair enough (like the police did)

This is dishonorable as it is going back on ones word.

dylansmum

Really2 wrote: »

They have not Mitchaa and this is why people get annoyed with teachers.

They keep their pay hidden under scales so the general public rarely know what a teacher earns.

This breeds distrust EG MP expenses claims.

If you hide something it is generally for a reason, perhaps some one ( A Teacher) could give us the reason but I dare say it is because the general public would not like to see what some position earn.

Why is it hidden? It is on public view. On the other hand, I have no idea what lots of private sector workers earn, even when taxes are propping up that sector - eg. PFI, trains, privatised public services, banks (!).

If people are annoyed with teachers then why don't people push poltical parties to abolish state education, decrease taxes and let people pay for private education. Would people want this, as it seems to me a way to prove that teachers are 'overpaid' -people could pay for private education and count the cost in direct terms to their pockets.

I am not a teacher btw.

kennyboy66_2

Just the word "Teachers" seems to send most of this site into hysterical paroxyms of bitterness and bile.

The NUT seem to demand a 10% increase at every spring conference / pay negotiation.

May 2007 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/6693415.stm
April 2008 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/analysis-and-features/life-on-mars-is-seventies-stagflation-on-the-way-back-805100.html

There are even articles going back as far as 1997, with, yes you guessed it, a claim for 10% pay rise.

At least it gets the dander up of the Daily Mail fraternity on here.

"Teachers get in the real world", "Wake up and smell the coffee"

Oh the irony.

Really2

dylansmum wrote: »

I am not a teacher btw.

Advertised jobs for teachers state scale not renumeration.

Council jobs to state wage.

Sorry that is true you never see a teachers job with the renumeration advertised.

I am not having a go just making a very true comment.

Ps not anoyed but anoyed by the demand

kennyboy66_2

Really2 wrote: »

They have not Mitchaa and this is why people get annoyed with teachers.

They keep their pay hidden under scales so the general public rarely know what a teacher earns.

This breeds distrust EG MP expenses claims.

If you hide something it is generally for a reason, perhaps some one ( A Teacher) could give us the reason but I dare say it is because the general public would not like to see what some position earn.

Shame on you Really2

What exactly is hidden about having a pay scale thats in the public domain.

http://www.teachernet.gov.uk/docbank/index.cfm?id=12638

If your childs teacher has had 6 years experience, it is fairly easy to estimate what they earn.

I can't think of another job where it is easier to find out pretty much what the majority are likely to earn (other than nursing maybe).

dylansmum

Really2 wrote: »

Sorry but if we get deflation does that mean they will take pay drops?

Were they not also balloting for 4 day weeks?

Sorry pay deals should not be back tracked just because they feel it was less than they were worth.

They were done deals. This is holding children for ransom, no other way to see it.

If it was for the next 5 years fair enough (like the police did)

This is dishonorable as it is going back on ones word.

You make fair points. However, the pay deals were imposed. The NUT asked the government in 2006 to have pay reviewed by an independent body - the government refused in spite of agreeing to this in 2004; so they went back on their word.

In my sector our pay was reviewed and negotiations helped via ACAS and it worked very well. We closed the gap - so I guess that while our 8% rise over 3 years or inflation (whichever was the greatest), plus pay modernisation (independent consultants looked at roles and matched to pay, rather than a scale that one climbed up regardless of increased responsibilites), might look generous, it wasn't, really. It was fair.

Really2

kennyboy66 wrote: »

Shame on you Really2

What exactly is hidden about having a pay scale thats in the public domain.

http://www.teachernet.gov.uk/docbank/index.cfm?id=12638

If your childs teacher has had 6 years experience, it is fairly easy to estimate what they earn.

I can't think of another job where it is easier to find out pretty much what the majority are likely to earn (other than nursing maybe).

Look I have nothing to feel shame full of I never knew about that site so it is hardly "public domain"

I am just stating what breeds distrust that is all.

I know a lot about how the human mind works so part of the distrust of teachers is that their pay is "hidden" when advertised.

It is not a go at teachers (As I am sure it is not them who requests for jobs to be advetised in that way), it is just a statement on what creates distrust.

dylansmum

Really2 wrote: »

Advertised jobs for teachers state scale not renumeration.

Council jobs to state wage.

Sorry that is true you never see a teachers job with the renumeration advertised.

I am not having a go just making a very true comment.

Ps not anoyed but anoyed by the demand

Same with my job. There is a scale. It depends on the candiates' experience and on the role profile they match as to where they start on the scale.

kennyboy66_2

Really2 wrote: »

Advertised jobs for teachers state scale not renumeration.

Council jobs to state wage.

Sorry that is true you never see a teachers job with the renumeration advertised.

I am not having a go just making a very true comment.

Ps not anoyed but anoyed by the demand

Thats because the adverts are aimed at teachers who all know exactly what is meant by a payscale.

Really2

dylansmum wrote: »

In my sector our pay was reviewed and negotiations helped via ACAS and it worked very well. We closed the gap - so I guess that while our 8% rise over 3 years or inflation (whichever was the greatest), plus pay modernisation (independent consultants looked at roles and matched to pay, rather than a scale that one climbed up regardless of increased responsibilites), might look generous, it wasn't, really. It was fair.

I agree but 10% one off + yearly rises does not seem fair.

I am not having a go at teachers but a demand like this does not help the cause.

I think there union could be a lot more tactfully, public support is a good thing.

I would support a rise but such a demand in one hit at this time will get peoples backs up,