How can we persuade employers NOT to use imigrant workers?

dervish

This is a very thorny issue. Unchecked immigration (especially the economic kind) has put untold strains on British society with many empluers simply going for the cheapest option in employing cheap immigrants rather than British workers,

This has led to many British people losing their jobs and has caused huge social unrest in places like Oldham, Burnley, Manchester etc.

How can we dis-incentivise employers from taking the cheap and easy option of foreign workers?

1984ReturnsForReal_2

What do you suggest?

Lynching?

Tar & Feathers?

100% Tax?

stephen163

If they are legal immigrants, there's absolutely nothing we can do. It will keep pay pegged back at minimum wage, but I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing in itself. I think the British people should be more worried about the skilled immigrants, especially from Eastern Europe.

1984ReturnsForReal_2

stephen163 wrote: »

I think the British people should be more worried about the skilled immigrants, especially from Eastern Europe.

Should be more worried about the 100,000 that will be claiming benefits by the summer...

stephen163

I'm no benefits expert, but i'm sure migrant workers only become entitled to benefits after a full year of employment in this country, and even then it is complicated.

Masomnia

Migrant workers from places like Poland have a reputation for being better workers, and probably for good reason. If British workers want to compete they're going to have to change that by providing better value for money for employers.

Disincentivizing employers from taking on migrant workers misses the key issue, and that is a lack of training and work ethic on the part of many British workers.

jamespmg44

Unfortunately the skill levels here have been devalued so much due to the 50% in higher education nonsense that Blair tried to have.

Degrees have become devalued, folk who would have gone into trades/vocational training did pointless degrees at uni and ended up with poorer prospects because of this.

We need to focus on making universities harder to get in to (from an entry standpoint) and increase the worth of a degree again.

The other problem is that the generation just after me (I'm 27) were the first of the couch potato Playstation generation so aren't used to getting off their backsides to do anything.

1984ReturnsForReal_2

jamespmg44 wrote: »

Unfortunately the skill levels here have been devalued so much due to the 50% in higher education nonsense that Blair tried to have.

Degrees have become devalued, folk who would have gone into trades/vocational training did pointless degrees at uni and ended up with poorer prospects because of this.

We need to focus on making universities harder to get in to (from an entry standpoint) and increase the worth of a degree again.

Tescos, call centres & McDonalds for the rest of them.

jamespmg44

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

Tescos, call centres & McDonalds for the rest of them.

Sadly that is what has screwed the Scottish economy. The company I work for used to have a large factory employing 750 people which closed 3 years ago (there's now 10 of us left working from home), the next big "industry" in the area was call centres. Today the call centres were announced as being under threat with moving to Asia.

So it may just be Tescos and McDonalds left.

1984ReturnsForReal_2

jamespmg44 wrote: »

So it may just be Tescos and McDonalds left.

Then enhance the degrees in science & IT then we can build some stuff nobody else has thought of or is capable of.

jamespmg44

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

Then enhance the degrees in science & IT then we can build some stuff nobody else has thought of or is capable of.

I agree with that - but a science degree needs to be worked at not given out like toilet paper - only a certain percentage of the population are capable of doing one.

I remember seeing a report on tv about how 1st year students needed to be retaught higher maths because so many were below what was traditionally classed as university standard. Most degrees are only 3 or 4 years so that's 1/3 or 1/4 of the degree wasted. It can't do anything but devalue it!

Not familiar with the english exam system, but in Scotland I'd make the minimum requirements for uni entry 5 Bs at higher or better. If you can't meet that standard uni isn't for you.