Pay Rise Cancelled for NHS staff

undercoat11

This is a bit of a silly thread really, but public sector workers pay for their pensions and they pay tax too - it is the government who failed to invest the money that they paid in pensions.

Personally I am quite glad that we have got nurses and teachers, firemen and police but that doesn't tell the whole story - you need to distinguish between those who are essential to keeping law and order, health care and so on, with those who don't perform a function needed by society. There are quangos - QCA, BECTA - with staff being exceptionally highly paid - more so than council workers, police or firemen. My elderly parents have been helped recently by social workers from the council and I don't know how they would have coped without them - so don't knock everyone who works in the public sector.

I wouldn't like to visit a hospital with too few nurses or have just one fireman come round to put out my house fire, but I can definitely live without some of the quangos that exist.

smk77

VfM4meplse wrote: »

Find me a poor GP and I'll show you a stupid GP, they just don't exist.

I know one who is both. Poor because she bought a house that is far to expensive and stupid because, whilst clearly being academic, doesn't have any common sense when it comes to her baby.

I also had a GP telling me that I should quit my job because of the effects that she thought that it was having on my health despite the fact that my job clearly wasn't the issue. She clearly lives on a different planet if she thinks bills can be paid without an income.

Fortunately, i've seen enough GPs who deserve every penny they earn.

Andy_L

[quote=Graham_Devon;20089251
33k for a police officer, who has gone through training (unpaid I might add to start with). Seems fair to me. [/quote]

and thats 33k for some one who's been a PC for 8-9 years (unless their in London).

perplexed.com

Clearly the private sector is bloated and needs culled. All those people doing nothing useful but making money for just one small section of society. We can't continue to fund their lifestyles by just throwing our money at them regardless of whether they do a good job. Why should we subsidise people who work to produce magazines filled with celebrity news, plastic toys inside sweets, luxury food and drink, cigarettes, huge gas guzzling cars etc etc.;)

Thrugelmir

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Obviously not that well informed considering Alan Johnson has already announced to the millions of public sector employees this effects, that the deal WILL be honoured and the rumours are unfounded.

Thats some commitment from him.

Seems like the issue relates to the 3rd year of the deal, ie 2010/11. The Trust in question is making contingency plans on the basis that it won't be able to afford the additional payroll cost,

donaldtramp

It's not 40k though, your just making that up with the pension part, something no one would even think of doing with a private sector employee.

No one could possibly compare poor private sector pensions to the GOLDEN subsidised public sectors, they aren't in the same league.

You have no idea which PC is using the pension scheme for a start.

So no real point saying its 40k.

I'm pretty sure the take up of tax payer subsidised pension schemes will be high. Why wouldn't you take advantage of the golden goose when you could get away with it?

33k for a police officer, who has gone through training (unpaid I might add to start with). Seems fair to me. Wouldn't even buy you a 2 bed starter home in most places. Plus unsociable hours? The harm they could come to?

THAT'S THEIR JOB!!!
I did some incredibly dangerous industrial jobs with unsociable hours when I was younger. I didn't get any of the benefits that police get and the work was far more risky. So what's your point?
Far more people are killed in the building and industrial sector doing their job than police are. I know people that were killed on sites I used to work on, lost fingers arms etc etc. Why do the police need special treatment?
Oh and the police retire at 50. There were guys on sites in their 60s still grafting hard, doing dangerous work paying for the police to retire early on good pensions.

Once again, whats your point?

Georgie4

Old_Slaphead wrote: »

Thanks for the intro trel.....

Well that's sensible news to start the day - the pain has to be shared out.

Now for the pension scheme.

Yeah right - doesn't work out in good times though does it when the government try and use public sector pay deals to control inflation:mad:

I have a 4 year pay deal which equates to 2.5% per year (you'll be pleased to know:p ) and it was not a good pay rise 2 years ago but it will be this year !!

Georgie4

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Yer, funnily enough, I'm one of them too

What people never seem to mention is the lack of double time, the working on christmas eve while every other private sector office worker is enjoying time with their family. Working boxing day, christmas day etc, at normal wage.

They can only see the upside of the pension.

Theres downsides too, which no one ever seems to mention.

Well said !! I am paid for a 37 hour week but work at least 40 -42 every week which there is no hope of any overtime to cover - I do it because I provide a public service - we are also understaffed and stretched but thats all people on here focus on is the pensions - no wonder they say they wouldn't work in the public sector - its far too much like hard work:p

Graham_Devon

donaldtramp wrote: »

No one could possibly compare poor private sector pensions to the GOLDEN subsidised public sectors, they aren't in the same league.

I'm pretty sure the take up of tax payer subsidised pension schemes will be high. Why wouldn't you take advantage of the golden goose when you could get away with it?

Because they cannot afford it. You would be surprised at the amount who do not contribute to the pension, simply because they can't afford 6% of their pay. Seriously.

Your remarks are very flippant, without any substance. Again, all those paid a lot of money will be able to use these systems. Those on the frontline are well known not to make use of the pension scheme, simply because they cannot afford to do so.

Your rosy picture of all these people contributing 6-8% of their 20k salaries to pensions is just completely and utterly wrong.

Your disgust is with the overpaid top managers, who have been bought into these jobs under a labour scheme which just has manager after manager. I'm with you there. But you are attacking the frontline people, who will never be rich, are doing a public service, and personally, i think deserve a half decent retirement after working all those unsociable hours those in the priavte sector demand double and tripple time for.

donaldtramp

I'm going to really, really enjoy when the squeeze starts hitting the public sector;) . If you guys think it isn't coming, you obviously have no idea what's happening in the UK.

Be smug whilst you can, because the smile will be wiped from your faces, sooner than you think;)