Pay Rise Cancelled for NHS staff

lostinrates

Graham_Devon wrote: »

I was in the office at 8. So woopee

Yes, you've explained your hours are irregular. You suggested the same was not true for private sector offcie workers in your expeirience, I was providing examples where it is true of privte sector office workers.

macaque_2

Graham_Devon wrote: »

No, you may notice I said "office workers" specifically. Best to read whats actually said before ranting

Hmmmm, you have alerted me to the weasel word in your earlier post. It appears that you have elected to limit the scope of comparison to private sector office workers versus public sector essential services. Can you explain why private sector emergency services are excluded from your comparison? Are you also saying that public sector office workers dutifully turn up to work on Christmas day? You are not a 'doctor' are you (nudge nudge)?

donaldtramp

Graham,

Your disgust is with the overpaid top managers, who have been bought into these jobs under a labour scheme which just has manager after manager. I'm with you there. But you are attacking the frontline people, who will never be rich, are doing a public service, and personally, i think deserve a half decent retirement after working all those unsociable hours those in the priavte sector demand double and tripple time for.

No my disgust is with the ENTIRE public sector benefits packages.

Where on Earth do you get your ideas from? The proportion of "Frontline staff" that do antisocial hours are absolutely minute in comparison to the rest of the public sector. The people I know of who work in Public sector get flexi time, work 37.5 hours a week and have a very cushy job. I'm sick of hearing about a tiny proportion of frontline staff being used to justify the largesse of MILLIONS of public sector workers packages.

As for:

I wish you all the best in enjoying it then. Fact is, it's already squeezed.

I am not talking about wage freezes that are being talked about (look how poor we are, nonsense:rolleyes: ).
I'm talking about the sackings, cuts in wages and pensions being brought under control that's coming.
Watch this space, I'll give it a year tops before the public sector gets an absolute kicking. It is simply unsustainable and WILL be curtailed.

littlemrtinkle

Perhaps you should rename your username to donald grump!

Sir_Humphrey

My last two pay offers were well below inflation.

Anyway, if inflation is really about 60%, or whatever number the wacko tendency here seem to think, then surely 5% is the least we can expect?

If we have deflation (which is still by far the most likely outcome) then I frankly am not that fussed if I have a pay freeze. If any group suffer, it will be the private sector businesses with whom I spend my wages.

I am still waited to see how inflation is supposed to take hold with pay freezes/cuts. AIUI, Zimbabwe matches it's money printing with wage rises to match.

Sir_Humphrey

macaque wrote: »

GPs earn between £100k and £250k

I know a newly qualified GP, and that is just flat wrong. Get your facts right before typing.

Sir_Humphrey

littlemrtinkle wrote: »

Perhaps you should rename your username to donald grump!

He's just a like a load of saddoes who populate the internet. 'Oh dear, everyone is against me, everyone shirks except for me, I am the only worthy one.' Get a life!

macaque_2

Sir_Humphrey wrote: »

I know a newly qualified GP, and that is just flat wrong. Get your facts right before typing.

Citing the pay of a newly qualified GP does not help your cause. It looks like you are being selective with the truth (which I suppose you are).

According to these stats (thanks Graham_Devon) 57.5% of GPs earn over £100k. For a part time work, these numbers are amazing.

• 2,048 GPs (6.0 per cent) had an income before tax of up to £50,000. In 2005/06, this figure was 2,001 (5.9 per cent).
• 13,387 GPs (39.5 per cent) had an income before tax of between £50,000 and £100,000. In 2005/06, this figure was 12,342 (36.4 per cent).
• 13,832 GPs (40.8 per cent) had an income before tax of between £100,000 and £150,000. In 2005/06, this figure was 14,534 (42.9 per cent).
• 3,623 GPs (10.7 per cent) had an income before tax of between £150,000 and £200,000. In 2005/06, this figure was 3,876 (11.4 per cent).
• 739 GPs (2.2 per cent) had an income before tax of between £200,000 and £250,000. In 2005/06, this figure was 816 (2.4 per cent).
• 258 GPs (0.8 per cent) had an income before tax of at least £250,000. In 2005/06, this figure was 307 (0.9 per cent).

Sir_Humphrey

macaque wrote: »

Citing the pay of a newly qualified GP does not help your cause. It looks like you are being selective with the truth (which I suppose you are).

According to these stats (thanks Graham_Devon) 57.5% of GPs earn over £100k. For a part time work, these numbers are amazing.

• 2,048 GPs (6.0 per cent) had an income before tax of up to £50,000. In 2005/06, this figure was 2,001 (5.9 per cent).
• 13,387 GPs (39.5 per cent) had an income before tax of between £50,000 and £100,000. In 2005/06, this figure was 12,342 (36.4 per cent).
• 13,832 GPs (40.8 per cent) had an income before tax of between £100,000 and £150,000. In 2005/06, this figure was 14,534 (42.9 per cent).
• 3,623 GPs (10.7 per cent) had an income before tax of between £150,000 and £200,000. In 2005/06, this figure was 3,876 (11.4 per cent).
• 739 GPs (2.2 per cent) had an income before tax of between £200,000 and £250,000. In 2005/06, this figure was 816 (2.4 per cent).
• 258 GPs (0.8 per cent) had an income before tax of at least £250,000. In 2005/06, this figure was 307 (0.9 per cent).

You said that GPs earn between 100k and 250k. What just posted says that 45% of GPs earn less than 100k. So your facts are wrong. Personally, I have no problem with Doctors earning a lot of money. A lot of GPs also run GP practises, which you also conveniently ignore.

EDIT: I also notice that only 3% earn over £200k. Are you immunerate?

EDIT 2: It is also says that 80% of GPs earn between £50-150k. Which seems perfectly reasonable for people who have to train for over a decade, pay huge liability insurance bills, and who save lives. How often do you stuck your finger up someone's dirty !!!! in your job BTW?

macaque_2

Sir_Humphrey wrote: »

You said that GPs earn between 100k and 250k. What just posted says that 45% of GPs earn less than 100k. So your facts are wrong. Personally, I have no problem with Doctors earning a lot of money. A lot of GPs also run GP practises, which you also conveniently ignore.

Picking hairs does not help your cause. It looks like you have run out of decent arguements (which I suppose you have). We are talking about a part time job. Where GPs earn less than 100k, it is because they are either newly qualified or have elected to work short hours. I imagine a many women GPs with young children are picking up £50-100k for a short working week.
http://www.nasgp.org.uk/rates/medeconomics_jan_2006.pdf

You have no problem with Doctors earning a lot of money. That is because you are a fellow gravy train travellor. If the system started to clamp down on GPs, who knows where it would stop.