Pay Rise Cancelled for NHS staff

Graham_Devon

macaque wrote: »

A short working week is when I discover that my GP is surgaring off to do private work in the middle of the day. And don't bleat that they make up for this by doing long hours. I don't think GPs should be doing long hours. If they were pilots or lorry drivers, they would be breaking the law.

So they are still working then. GP's do do more than see patients, you do realise this?

You also realise that when they "sugar" off, they have to pay themselves for their locum cover, unless the partnership has an agreement that the partnership will pay for the locum cover.

donaldtramp

Well I hope it's you rather than me then that needs treatment in an under funded, under-staffed NHS hospital struggling to meet it's targets.

No worries, I've got private medical;)
So not only do I fund the NHS, I'm very unlikely to use it. If I need it though I don't feel as if I have less right to use it than anyone else. Taxpayers do pay for it after all.

Graham_Devon

donaldtramp wrote: »

No worries, I've got private medical;)
So not only do I fund the NHS, I'm very unlikely to use it. If I need it though I don't feel as if I have less right to use it than anyone else. Taxpayers do pay for it after all.

LOL. So you have a problem with people on these wages.

So you go and pay extra, to pay for people in the private medical sector to take even higher wages for the same job?!

Good plan.

donaldtramp

LOL. So you have a problem with people on these wages.

So you go and pay extra, to pay for people in the private medical sector to take even higher wages for the same job?!

Good plan.

Is that even an argument? For some reason Edale has thanked you:rolleyes:

I have nothing against private sector hospitals, I pay the going rate to see good staff. No problem with that.

I am not paying their pension or the other massive benefits that they get in the Public sector, whilst going private.

You don't get this whole private/public thing do you?

Graham_Devon

donaldtramp wrote: »

Is that even an argument? For some reason Edale has thanked you:rolleyes:

I have nothing against private sector hospitals, I pay the going rate to see good staff. No problem with that.

I am not paying their pension or the other massive benefits that they get in the Public sector, whilst going private.

You don't get this whole private/public thing do you?

Erm, yes you are!

So you have a problem paying the NHS for good staff, but not paying even more for private who are doing it for a profit?

Sorry, I just find it amusing

donaldtramp

Erm, yes you are!

So you have a problem paying the NHS for good staff, but not paying even more for private who are doing it for a profit?

Sorry, I just find it amusing

No I never:rolleyes:
No I have a problem paying for the ridiculous pension benefits the NHS gets along with all the 2 bit managers, quangos, contractors and the like that feed off our tax.

twirlypinky

donaldtramp wrote: »

Is that even an argument? For some reason Edale has thanked you:rolleyes:

I have nothing against private sector hospitals, I pay the going rate to see good staff. No problem with that.

I am not paying their pension or the other massive benefits that they get in the Public sector, whilst going private.

You don't get this whole private/public thing do you?

Private healthcare staff work no harder than the NHS staff yet earn more money, so you're paying more than the going rate to see the same staff.

I'd worry about my marbles if i were you. It's one thing to say you've gone private because you don't want to wait, or want a private room - but to say you want better office staff is crazy.

You do realise that you'll see the same doctors don't you?

twirlypinky

donaldtramp wrote: »

No I never:rolleyes:
No I have a problem paying for the ridiculous pension benefits the NHS gets along with all the 2 bit managers, quangos, contractors and the like that feed off our tax.

As I said before, work the NHS for 6 months and then come back here and post that.

donaldtramp

I'd worry about my marbles if i were you. It's one thing to say you've gone private because you don't want to wait, or want a private room - but to say you want better office staff is crazy.

You do realise that you'll see the same doctors don't you?

Sigh,
I don't want to wait.
I don't want treatment in an MRSA infested hospital, trust me I've experienced it when my other half was in for an operation. The whole ward was shut down due to the fact it was filthy and MRSA was detected all over the ward. That's scary after just coming out of an operation. (I've now paid and she is also private from now on) Yup tax being spent wisely eh?
I will get to see a consultant straight away, no waiting or having to get through the various stages of the health service.
So nothing wrong with "my marbles".

I personally know someones grandmother who lost her life due to an MRSA infection in an NHS hospital. Yup the governement can be proud of itself. Spending money on layers of management instead of claning wards. I suspect I'm agreeing with you on this point. I wholeheartedly agree, the frontline guys do a fanatstic job with what they have been given. It's a case of lions led by donkeys I'm afraid.

lana22

Cleaver wrote: »

The 'fresh out of Uni' docs earn a basic wage in the early £20,000s. However, this is for a standard working week. They all work weekends and nights and will get a 40%, 50% or 80% salary supplement (paid as a regular, static payment every month) off their wage. So even the most junior of doctor on a busy rota (busy means working up to 48 hours a week, contracted) will earn £30k to £40k a year.

Sadly not true any more! 100% banding (ie band 3, giving you £40k a year) has been illegal for a while. As is 80% banding.
The highest banding allowed is now 50%. This is becoming less and less common, with most people being "unbanded" for at least one rotation.
Lots of people are on 40% banding for one 4 month rotation, then unbanded for the other, giving them an income of around £25k per year.
I would say the vast majority earn £25-27k a year, with some earning £21k per year.

By the way "busy" (ie banded 2b 50% etc) is actually 56 hours average, with a large proportion of "antisocial hours" which means 80 hours some weeks.