Pay Rise Cancelled for NHS staff

donaldtramp

But your tone and language used is just offensive and looking to start an argument.

Just making my point Graham, something you're not usually shy about;)
Do you work in the public sector/NHS in any form?

If you are so against all this, I do hope you are voting with your feet, and don't turn the the police / NHS workers when you are in need, and go to them to help you out, often putting their own lives on the line to save a strangers life, i.e. yours.

Ah, this rubbish again! I WILL turn to the police and NHS when I need them. I pay handsomely(along with all the other taxpayers) for their services and I will expect them to do their best when I need them.
I don't want to hear this nonsensical point again:rolleyes:

I really do believe the public sector needs trimmed, along with many, many other people.

mewbie_2

donaldtramp wrote: »

I really do believe the pubic sector needs to be trimmed

If you say so.

Graham_Devon

donaldtramp wrote: »

Just making my point Graham, something you're not usually shy about;)
Do you work in the public sector/NHS in any form?

I do yes.

And you will often find me having a damn good rant about the waste and beaurocracy. I have even said a few times my own job is a waste really as it's all to do with targets, but I need to earn a wage too, just like anyone else, and while the job is there, I shall do it. But my job does benefit patients directly. There has been many a time when to reach a target, a patient has been investigated, and found to be lacking care, which they then, if they co-operate, duly get.

(Is that how you spell that word? I dunno. So to save me being jumped upon, I thought I would just make myself look feeble and ask).

However, I don't believe nurses get a high enough wage for the job they do. I think GP's are paid fairly. And a lot of the GP figures on paper, are not made up solely of the GP job itself, but can often be made up of several other interets that GP's hold, and work on behalf of other parts of the NHS.

I also don't think the police get a high enough pay to justify ther job.

Theres a saying that always sticks with me. The people on the frontline, will never be rich people, but they give more than they could ever take in a wage.

Old_Slaphead

Graham_Devon wrote: »

I also don't think the police get a high enough pay to justify ther job.

Theres a saying that always sticks with me. The people on the frontline, will never be rich people, but they give more than they could ever take in a wage.

Know how much the average PC gets paid ?....

basic salary is around £33,000 add in good pension (even new downgraded scheme pays half pension at 55 - some authorities are spending MORE on pensions than actual policing) etc brings it up to around £40,000. If the bobby is on the beat all the time then fair enough but £40k for someone who spends half the week (at least) form filling for HMG - personally, I think that's a bit steep.

VfM4meplse

Why such interest in GP's salaries? If you can't beat them then try to join them if you think you have the academic ability to do so - we'll talk again in 8 years time shall we?? I'm sick of hearing sour grapes from others who think their skills are of equal value and feel underpaid. If they were, pay would reflect that.

Find me a poor GP and I'll show you a stupid GP, they just don't exist.

The NHS harbours some of the best managers and biggest wastes of space. Some people totally abuse the benefits on offer and aren't prepared to do a decent days work, and they get away with it when line management is weak.

Mozette

Wookster wrote: »

I'm not surprised by this.

The government is broke. Utterly broke.

Don't lose sleep though, I'm sure the MPs will manage to find the money for a pay rise for themselves, so we needn't worry.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

donaldtramp

I do yes.

Ah that explains things....

And you will often find me having a damn good rant about the waste and beaurocracy. I have even said a few times my own job is a waste really as it's all to do with targets, but I need to earn a wage too, just like anyone else, and while the job is there, I shall do it. But my job does benefit patients directly. There has been many a time when to reach a target, a patient has been investigated, and found to be lacking care, which they then, if they co-operate, duly get.

Well I'm having a rant about the NHS/public sector compensation package (that the taxpayer tops up handsomely), the number of jobs that I think are unnecessary in the public sector whether it be NHS, public sector, civil service.... whatever
I know you need to earn a wage but could that not be in a sector that isn't just there to create further layers of bureaucracy and waste. (I have no idea what your job is, so don't take it personally, just saying how I feel)

I'm making a valid point about the expansion of the public sector. It has been totally unnecessary.

There has been many a time when to reach a target,

The very problem that needs addressing. It seems your job relies on the "target" system that needs to be dismantled. The "target" culture has enabled thousands of unnecessary jobs/managers/committees to be created.
I have no idea what you do but I'm sure that everyone in the public sector would justify their jobs similarly.
I don't care! I don't want to pay for this largesse.

I also don't think the police get a high enough pay to justify ther job.

I think the police get compensated very well thank you very much when you take in the taxpayer guaranteed pensions, retirement age and the low standards of education required to gain entry.

Theres a saying that always sticks with me. The people on the frontline, will never be rich people, but they give more than they could ever take in a wage.

There are a lot of people in the private sector who are in "the frontline" trying to bring up families on low wages without access to the benefits (pensions/retirement ages and the likes) that the public sector get. And they contribute a lot through tax to the public sector pension pot.

Graham, you've been quick enough to have a pop at other folk on the benefit pyramid scheme over on other boards (I agree with you on a lot of things you've said) but I also believe the public sector needs a cull, you too are consuming tax. It will happen soon hopefully....

I am one of the taxpayers in the middle (who has lived well within his means) who has been squeezed by Brown to pay for a massive social security budget and a bloated public sector. Time for a bit of common sense before the country collapses.

macaque_2

Graham_Devon wrote: »

I do yes.

And you will often find me having a damn good rant about the waste and beaurocracy. I have even said a few times my own job is a waste really as it's all to do with targets, but I need to earn a wage too, just like anyone else, and while the job is there, I shall do it. But my job does benefit patients directly. There has been many a time when to reach a target, a patient has been investigated, and found to be lacking care, which they then, if they co-operate, duly get.

(Is that how you spell that word? I dunno. So to save me being jumped upon, I thought I would just make myself look feeble and ask).

However, I don't believe nurses get a high enough wage for the job they do. I think GP's are paid fairly. And a lot of the GP figures on paper, are not made up solely of the GP job itself, but can often be made up of several other interets that GP's hold, and work on behalf of other parts of the NHS.

I also don't think the police get a high enough pay to justify ther job.

Theres a saying that always sticks with me. The people on the frontline, will never be rich people, but they give more than they could ever take in a wage.

The going rate for a new PhD chemist in industry is £26k p.a. A chartered mechanical engineer with 10 years of training can expect £40-50k. The director in a medium sized chemical company gets 60k. A policeman gets £25k. A trained nurse gets £30k. Over 50% of GPs get between £100k and £200k on top of their private income.

You are concerned with the pay of nurses and policemen. So how much do you want them to be paid? Do you also feel that the private sector should fall even further behind? Do you think we have a better health service in the UK for having the more expensive doctors than other parts of Europe?

Graham_Devon

Old_Slaphead wrote: »

Know how much the average PC gets paid ?....

basic salary is around £33,000 add in good pension (even new downgraded scheme pays half pension at 55 - some authorities are spending MORE on pensions than actual policing) etc brings it up to around £40,000. If the bobby is on the beat all the time then fair enough but £40k for someone who spends half the week (at least) form filling for HMG - personally, I think that's a bit steep.

It's not 40k though, your just making that up with the pension part, something no one would even think of doing with a private sector employee.

You have no idea which PC is using the pension scheme for a start.

So no real point saying its 40k.

33k for a police officer, who has gone through training (unpaid I might add to start with). Seems fair to me. Wouldn't even buy you a 2 bed starter home in most places. Plus unsociable hours? The harm they could come to?

Graham_Devon

donaldtramp wrote: »

I am one of the taxpayers in the middle (who has lived well within his means) who has been squeezed by Brown to pay for a massive social security budget and a bloated public sector. Time for a bit of common sense before the country collapses.

Yer, funnily enough, I'm one of them too

What people never seem to mention is the lack of double time, the working on christmas eve while every other private sector office worker is enjoying time with their family. Working boxing day, christmas day etc, at normal wage.

They can only see the upside of the pension.

Theres downsides too, which no one ever seems to mention.