Pay Rise Cancelled for NHS staff

Old_Slaphead

Dylanwing wrote: »

The majority of Public Sector workers are paid slightly less than in the Private Sector

Virtually none of the public and private sector jobs (and hence pay) is directly comparable in a meaningful way.

Several years ago private sector had "on average" higher pay (hence the justification for attractive public sector final salary pension schemes) but that situation has now been reversed. When adding in public sector pensions, job security etc it is now obvious that "on average" public sector staff get a much better deal than their private counterparts.

mitchaa

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Completely wrong.

I dont think it is Graham, GP's salaries are well known to be over £100k

Salaried NHS doctors perhaps a little less.

lostinrates

twirlypinky wrote: »

I just rang my friend who works in NHS finance.

Not only have they been told no such thing, but she says their budget setting for 09-10 currently taking place is including a 2.4% pay deal.

This was all signed and sealed last year in a 3 year agreement, which was so low in the first year that compared to inflation it amounted to a pay cut.

LOL, I did exactly the same thing TBH, I still feel my information is shakey but my friend said as far as she is aware, this year is budgeted for, next year is planned for and looking possible but difficult, but the year after is anyones guess. This however is information from someone rapidly falling out of love with their job, and the same as she said a few weeks ago when we spoke. I'm not sure how senior she is...she has a fancy job title though

twirlypinky

Old_Slaphead wrote: »

There were millions in the private sector who got NOTHING last year and in 2009, many have received NOTHING, pay cuts or P45s !

Public sector, as a whole, has done extremely well over the last 5 -10 years (see ONS stats). Many have had well above inflation increases).

Private sector pay has only exceeded inflation for the last few years because of the significant increases imposed by the Government on minimum wage (ie up 27% over last 5 years) and that affects a lot of the private sector (nb no public sector worker receives the minimum rate of £5.73)

Why should public sector be continually expect to have inflation proofed increases when virtually no one else has.

As I said in my post, I was talking about NHS staff, not the entire sector.

For the last few years the NHS (because that's all I'm able to comment on) reveiced pay increases lower than inflation, this is the first year that the increase has been above.

Until you're working in the public sector, are you really qualified to comment? I don't think so.

hermanmunster_3

Spartacus_Mills wrote: »

How unreasonable to ask you to fund your pension. Would you like me and all the other taxpayers in the private sector to chip in and pay for it while I look at the wreckage of our own pension schemes.

Yes please.

I pay lots of tax myself (50K +)

twirlypinky

mitchaa wrote: »

I dont think it is Graham, GP's salaries are well known to be over £100k

Salaried NHS doctors perhaps a little less.

The money that GPs receive is to run their practice - it doesn't all go in their pockets.

You'd need to pay me a lot more than that to spend 40+ hrs a week listen to uncle tom cobbly and all moaning about their flu, headache etc etc.

Graham_Devon

mitchaa wrote: »

I dont think it is Graham, GP's salaries are well known to be over £100k

Salaried NHS doctors perhaps a little less.

• 2,048 GPs (6.0 per cent) had an income before tax of up to £50,000. In 2005/06, this figure was 2,001 (5.9 per cent).
• 13,387 GPs (39.5 per cent) had an income before tax of between £50,000 and £100,000. In 2005/06, this figure was 12,342 (36.4 per cent).
• 13,832 GPs (40.8 per cent) had an income before tax of between £100,000 and £150,000. In 2005/06, this figure was 14,534 (42.9 per cent).
• 3,623 GPs (10.7 per cent) had an income before tax of between £150,000 and £200,000. In 2005/06, this figure was 3,876 (11.4 per cent).
• 739 GPs (2.2 per cent) had an income before tax of between £200,000 and £250,000. In 2005/06, this figure was 816 (2.4 per cent).
• 258 GPs (0.8 per cent) had an income before tax of at least £250,000. In 2005/06, this figure was 307 (0.9 per cent).

hermanmunster_3

twirlypinky wrote: »

The money that GPs receive is to run their practice - it doesn't all go in their pockets.

You'd need to pay me a lot more than that to spend 40+ hrs a week listen to uncle tom cobbly and all moaning about their flu, headache etc etc.

:rotfl: oooo twirlypinky you must have been eavesdropping!!!
seriously though not that bad today , main prob is that 40hrs is rare .. minimum for me is 50+ and often a lot more

Andy_L

Old_Slaphead wrote: »

Virtually none of the public and private sector jobs (and hence pay) is directly comparable in a meaningful way.

Several years ago private sector had "on average" higher pay (hence the justification for attractive public sector final salary pension schemes) but that situation has now been reversed. When adding in public sector pensions, job security etc it is now obvious that "on average" public sector staff get a much better deal than their private counterparts.

How many times do we have to go through this. The Public Sector has higher pay "on average" because (almost) all the low skill/low paid jobs have been contracted out so, despite still being paid out of the public purse they don't count as Public sector workers, thus skewing the average.

hermanmunster_3

Graham_Devon wrote: »

• 2,048 GPs (6.0 per cent) had an income before tax of up to £50,000. In 2005/06, this figure was 2,001 (5.9 per cent).
• 13,387 GPs (39.5 per cent) had an income before tax of between £50,000 and £100,000. In 2005/06, this figure was 12,342 (36.4 per cent).
• 13,832 GPs (40.8 per cent) had an income before tax of between £100,000 and £150,000. In 2005/06, this figure was 14,534 (42.9 per cent).
• 3,623 GPs (10.7 per cent) had an income before tax of between £150,000 and £200,000. In 2005/06, this figure was 3,876 (11.4 per cent).
• 739 GPs (2.2 per cent) had an income before tax of between £200,000 and £250,000. In 2005/06, this figure was 816 (2.4 per cent).
• 258 GPs (0.8 per cent) had an income before tax of at least £250,000. In 2005/06, this figure was 307 (0.9 per cent).

sounds about right to me