Low-carb diets support thread

marrbett

andrewsmum wrote: »

Hi everyone. I am one very happy bunny this morning

As have mentioned here I am eating low(er) carb mainly to get my diabetes blood sugar numbers under control. I have just come home from the hospital after seeing my diabetes specialist and he has sent me home with a BIG pat on the back :D:D My HbA1c results have come back at 7.1 (last time they were 11.1) so he was very pleased. I asked him what a normal non diabetic result is and he said around 5 so that pleased me too.
Also he said I had lost a stone in weight I was pleased with this to because I have very limited mobility.

He dictated a letter to my GP which included the fact I was watching my carb intake. To me it seems doctors realise the benefits of eating low carb, but daren't actually suggest this in a direct way, more so the nurses at the general diabetic clinic.

Anyhow he said I'm definately doing something right and suggests I carry on doing the same.

Great news! Well done.xx:j

~Chameleon~

daska wrote: »

Your suggestions and criticisms don't even recognise that some of us follow a low-carb lifestyle for medical reasons, it is particularly well suited to diabetics. Your suggestions would actually impair these poeple's health rather than improve it. All for the sake of you having a bit of fun goading and misleading people.

I've dipped in here as although I unsubscribed from this thread, it came up on the new posts list so thought I'd take a look at latest posts.

I'm afraid I have to disagree with you on this point. Whilst I'm not disputing some people might benefit from a lower carb diet I think it's wrong to suggest that by not following a low carb diet would impair people's health.

I'm also diabetic and control it entirely with diet and exercise (HbA1c is regularly between 5 and 7) yet I don't follow a low carb diet. I eat what I want when I want but it's all healthy nutritious food, and most important of all is LOW IN SUGAR!! Which is entirely different to low carb but is the most important factor of diabetes control.

~Chameleon~

andrewsmum wrote: »

Thanks Sheila.

I must say to anyone doubting this woe, surely my Blood glucose results (as a diabetic) speak for themselves. In my days of eating a high fibre ....jacket spuds, brown rice/pasta, low fat type foods......no way could I ever get my bloods under control, so like the specialist told me today, I must be doing something right. My cholesterol is either 2 or 3 point something too.

I've highlighted the reason for your drop in blood glucose levels. Low fat foods are HIGH IN SUGAR and since you've cut these out of your diet you're seeing positive results :T

marrbett

~Chameleon~ wrote: »

I've dipped in here as although I unsubscribed from this thread, it came up on the new posts list so thought I'd take a look at latest posts.

I'm afraid I have to disagree with you on this point. Whilst I'm not disputing some people might benefit from a lower carb diet I think it's wrong to suggest that by not following a low carb diet would impair people's health.

I'm also diabetic and control it entirely with diet and exercise (HbA1c is regularly between 5 and 7) yet I don't follow a low carb diet. I eat what I want when I want but it's all healthy nutritious food, and most important of all is LOW IN SUGAR!! Which is entirely different to low carb but is the most important factor of diabetes control.

So do you eat full-fats at the same time as bread/pasta/rice type carbs? Just interested as this combo doesn't work for me.

~Chameleon~

marrbett wrote: »

So do you eat full-fats at the same time as bread/pasta/rice type carbs? Just interested as this combo doesn't work for me.

Yes, if necessary, although I don't eat much pasta or rice, maybe once a month. Prefer couscous, bulgar wheat, quinoa. And bread, I never eat white bread, only soya & linseed, although I do love hot buttered crumpets :drool:

You have to remember though that "one-size does not fit all" when it comes to diet and I use the word diet in the sense of the "nutrition which we eat" and not in the restrictive sense most people think of when they see the word.

daska

~Chameleon~ wrote: »

I've dipped in here as although I unsubscribed from this thread, it came up on the new posts list so thought I'd take a look at latest posts.

I'm afraid I have to disagree with you on this point. Whilst I'm not disputing some people might benefit from a lower carb diet I think it's wrong to suggest that by not following a low carb diet would impair people's health.

I'm also diabetic and control it entirely with diet and exercise (HbA1c is regularly between 5 and 7) yet I don't follow a low carb diet. I eat what I want when I want but it's all healthy nutritious food, and most important of all is LOW IN SUGAR!! Which is entirely different to low carb but is the most important factor of diabetes control.

I didn't suggest that not following a low-carb diet would impair everyone's health. Everyone is different - my blood sugars aren't sufficiently controlled just by removing sugar. Neither, from what she said, were Edwardia's. And officially I'm not even diabetic because even though my fasting/ post-prandial tests are very high, due to eating LC my HbA1C is only borderline. And my disability means that the control which might be gained through exercise isn't available to me.

Low in sugar isn't entirely different to low carb. It is different to what we here would think of as ultra-low carb but there is no standard definition of low carb. Perhaps it would help if this thread were entitled 'lower than normal western diet level's of carb support thread'? But posters' carb intakes while I've been on here have varied from 20g to 130g.

You may not like what I said but take a look at some of the statements AB has actually made:
"there is no need for these stupid diets"
"Superfoods: The Route To Great Health... Most of these are more carb than fat or protein"
"There seem to be a lot of references here to margarine and artificial sweetners. Do you call those real foods?"
"Well i dont really do diets because I eat whatever I feel like at the time..."
"all you have to do is overcome the emotional issues that have led us to overeat"
"A gift Bounders very simple banana surprise"
"What about parsnip soup?"

I don't actually disagree with everything AB says. I do believe there are often psychological issues that affect our food choices and failures - my own problems with cauliflower cheese seem to be proof of that. I also agree that there are a lot of food that combine nutrition with higher carb counts - which is why we eat berries rather than bananas. And there are other examples.

But his claims aren't all correct and his posts are obviously designed to criticise, undermine and mislead. He has no interest in either offering or asking for support, he's critical of our WOE, he's made disparaging claims about our WOE that he is unwilling/ unable to back up, and he undermines the level of support that this 'support' thread can offer by regularly posting high carb suggestions.

~Chameleon~

daska wrote: »

I also agree that there are a lot of food that combine nutrition with higher carb counts - which is why we eat berries rather than bananas. And there are other examples.

Ok, I take your point about it being a support thread. It's sometimes difficult and frustrating to sit back and say nothing when you see things written you know are not true, hence why I unsubbed because I didn't want to upset people with my comments or perceived criticisms. I'm not partaking in a low carb diet therefore have no need to be here. This is just one of a number of threads relating to diet & nutrition I read, moreso to give me a deeper understanding of how & why people choose to eat the foods they do.

I do, however, feel the need to again pick up on the comment above. I don't understand why you would eat one or the other and not both. I eat both berries and bananas on a daily basis. Sometimes I'll eat two bananas in a day depending how hard I've worked in the gym. They are little power packs of nutrients and energy.

I often joke that the saying "an apple a day keeps the doctor away" should be replaced with a banana as they're far more nutritious!

murphydog999

~Chameleon~ wrote: »

I've highlighted the reason for your drop in blood glucose levels. Low fat foods are HIGH IN SUGAR and since you've cut these out of your diet you're seeing positive results :T

Chameleon, I generally agree with your posts, but as - quite rightly - you are saying one 'diet' doesn't fit all, I don't think you can say/completely attribute cutting out low-fat foods to andrewsmums success. (:j well done you.)

You know as much as everyone here what effect carbs can have on insulin, and other contributing factors, it is more likely to be the 'total' effect rather than just a single force. I hate to pick up on people's comments, but there is enough confusion around 'low-carb' as it is.

Sheila thanks for asking, or not!! You couldn't make this up. Still no further forward. Heard a few days ago, on the eve of exchange, that our buyers buyer failed to read his banks valuation and his solicitor flagged up a damp problem that needs rectifying. And yesterday we heard that our buyers solicitors have gone into receivership! There are no derailments, just delays, but every time the phone rings you wonder what else can happen!! :eek:

Is your sciatica easing? Stretches will help.

Glad to see everyone is on the up; don't let the colder weather put you off exercise, and keep posting those improvements :T

daska

Chameleon I LOVE bananas, I really miss them, they used to be my mainstay for controlling cramp, but they spike my blood sugars. I can get away with a few strawberries and blackberries. I'm yet to try wolfberries again, I don't like them much (actually I think they're nasty, ill-tasting bits of rubbery cardboard) and I'm keeping off the nightshade again while I'm back on the wheat (31 days and counting).

If you see something you believe to be innacurate then please do say - I for one prefer to know if I'm really mistaken. That doesn't mean I'll necessarily take what you say at face value, e.g with the oxalates, about which I'm still trying to find the energy, concentration to delve deeper.

Unlike AB YOU ADD VALUE!

~Chameleon~

murphydog999 wrote: »

Chameleon, I generally agree with your posts, but as - quite rightly - you are saying one 'diet' doesn't fit all, I don't think you can say/completely attribute cutting out low-fat foods to andrewsmums success. (:j well done you.)

You're quite right, I should have stated "in my opinion" based on my own evidence and that of others I personally know. I cannot possibly know this is the only contributing factor in andrewsmums case without doing a full analysis on her entire diet.