£1196 bill for mobile Arrggggh Heeeelp

brummybloke

Leopard wrote: »

brummybloke,

Please, then, advise us all how you would go about enforcing legally a contract signed by a minor in the United Kingdom.

I'm sure my old friend Quentin will be as fascinated as I am to hear it. :cool:

your wrong, i suggest instead of looking on www.googlelawforbeginners.com you ask someone with proper legal knowledge.

the internet always makes everyone an expert on everything.. not

Leopard

brummybloke wrote: »

your wrong, i suggest instead of looking on www.googlelawforbeginners.com you ask someone with proper legal knowledge.

the internet always makes everyone an expert on everything.. not

brummybloke,

Will you please, without further prevarication, evasion or even a basic command of English grammar, explain clearly to the members of this forum how you would set about enforcing legally a mobile 'phone contract entered into by a minor within any of the jurisdictions of the United Kingdom if the said minor chooses to repudiate it - either before the said minor's eighteenth birthday absolutely or within such period following it that a court deems reasonable.

Of particular relevance to the latter being whether the said contract contains terms that the minor did not understand or which could be regarded as unreasonable.

Mine is a perfectly simple question. Answer it.

It's not as if I'm asking you by what psychic process you believe you can divine my legal qualifications.

You've made a bald, unequivocal allegation: now justify it. In short, either put up or shut up.

Your bluff is called and your credibilty is at stake.

Deliver.

save-a-lot

Leopard wrote: »

brummybloke,

Will you please, without further prevarication, evasion or even a basic command of English grammar, explain clearly to the members of this forum how you would set about enforcing legally a mobile 'phone contract entered into by a minor within any of the jurisdictions of the United Kingdom if the said minor chooses to repudiate it - either before the said minor's eighteenth birthday absolutely or within such period following it that a court deems reasonable.

Of particular relevance to the latter being whether the said contract contains terms that the minor did not understand or which could be regarded as unreasonable.

Mine is a perfectly simple question. Answer it.

It's not as if I'm asking you by what psychic process you believe you can divine my legal qualifications.

You've made a bald, unequivocal allegation: now justify it. In short, either put up or shut up.

Your bluff is called and your credibilty is at stake.

Deliver.

He's gone to bed... calm down, have a cup of tea

assuming the 18 year old was 18 at taking the contract on, the charges for using the mobile abroad should be paid. Simple as that really. Everyone has to be responsible for their actions, an expensive lesson learned in my opinion.

Antispam

There are several of these in paper

latests one today

'I ran up a £22,000 phone bill watching TV abroad'

City executive hit with £11,000 phone bill after wife

downloads four episodes of Friends on his mobile

Woman landed with £4,900 phone bill for downloading The

brummybloke

Leopard wrote: »

brummybloke,

Will you please, without further prevarication, evasion or even a basic command of English grammar, explain clearly to the members of this forum how you would set about enforcing legally a mobile 'phone contract entered into by a minor within any of the jurisdictions of the United Kingdom if the said minor chooses to repudiate it - either before the said minor's eighteenth birthday absolutely or within such period following it that a court deems reasonable.

Of particular relevance to the latter being whether the said contract contains terms that the minor did not understand or which could be regarded as unreasonable.

Mine is a perfectly simple question. Answer it.

It's not as if I'm asking you by what psychic process you believe you can divine my legal qualifications.

You've made a bald, unequivocal allegation: now justify it. In short, either put up or shut up.

Your bluff is called and your credibilty is at stake.

Deliver.

get off your wrong high horse and get a life you sad little person

internet legal 'experts' hahahahaha google is dangerous to the likes of you

oh, and if you did have any kind of legal knowledge you wouldnt have posted your wrong statement

save-a-lot

reckon there's going to be a fight - come on Leopard.. hit us with some of those sentences again..

brummybloke.. round one.. ding ding

Leopard

save-a-lot wrote: »

He's gone to bed... calm down, have a cup of tea

assuming the 18 year old was 18 at taking the contract on, the charges for using the mobile abroad should be paid. Simple as that really. Everyone has to be responsible for their actions, an expensive lesson learned in my opinion.

save-a-lot wrote: »

reckon there's going to be a fight - come on Leopard.. hit us with some of those sentences again..

brummybloke.. round one.. ding ding

A fight? Hardly. Why would I bother?

You make (without knowing the circumstances of the case) the assumption that the girl in question was 18 at the time the contract was entered into. Upon what evidence do you feel entitled to make that assumption?

You (and all the other people who piled in, jostling to cast the first stone) have no way of knowing how old the girl was at the time she entered into the contract. The only information given to you to work with by the OP is that:

1.) The girl returned from South Africa two weeks ago.

2.) The girl is a student at a sixth-form college.

3.) At the time of the posting the girl was 18.

4.) That the girl "has been a customer of Orange for 4 years now, and the most her bill has ever been in that time is £75." (sic)

She ran up a bill of £1,196 in a month. Does this indicate that she was on PAYG or on a monthly contract?

The OP refers to the girl's "credit limit". Does this indicate that she was on PAYG or on a monthly contract?

Most importantly of all, does the OP make any mention of the basis of the girl's mobile 'phone facility with Orange having altered within the last four years from PAYG to monthly contract? Or even in the last year?

The only point I made was that if the girl had entered into the contract prior to her eighteenth birthday - and particularly if she did not (perhaps by means of a upgrade) renew it subsequent to her eighteenth birthday - Orange would not be legally in a position to enforce it. And that that was thus a pertinent fact to ascertain.

If you wish to pursue a boxing analogy, some illiterate oaf then swaggered into the ring, totally unapprised of the qualifications of the person who was already in it and of what and whom he was taking on. He swung a wild haymaker of a punch that was fundamentally flawed and which missed his target and then got comprehensively boxed into a corner from which he has no ability to extract himself. But he lacks even the virtue of being able to throw in the towel and concede defeat gracefully; instead, he is wallowing around on the floor, punching the air and being abusive.

The issue here is quite simple: if the girl entered into the contract before she was eighteen years of age, the contract is not enforceable against her by Orange.

brummybloke chose to aver, offensively and in so far as he has a basic command of English - if not of how to spell, capitalise, punctuate or construct a sentence in it - that his knowledge of English law was superior to mine and that I was incorrect.

So, I asked him by what legal process he believes it is possible to enforce a mobile 'phone contract entered into by a minor.

It's a perfectly simple question and one that he cannot answer because he is wrong. Rather than admit that fact, however, he resorted to being offensive in the belief that other people here were too dumb to see that he has no valid answer to the question that I posed.

So, you aren't going to see a fight: brummybloke tried to start one and got knocked out in the first round. As for me, I've made my legal point, noone can contest it validly, I'm leaving the ring, going to bed and will leave you all to marvel at brummybloke's erudition and command of the law in my absence tomorrow.

I have more rewarding things to do than shoot fish in barrels.

Night, night.

redux

Can you people produce any contructive advice, instead of this contest to see who can p*ss higher up the wall?

There's no law against a parent taking out a contract for a phone to be used by a minor, and no clue either way in this case.

macman

redux wrote: »

Can you people produce any contructive advice, instead of this contest to see who can p*ss higher up the wall?

There's no law against a parent taking out a contract for a phone to be used by a minor, and no clue either way in this case.

No law against that at all-in which case the parent is legally responsible for paying the bill. It seems to me that this is all pointless speculation, unless the OP can enlighten us with the age/contract details.

mobileobserver

I would recommend phoning Orange and agreeing some sort of Payment Plan. These kind of things are not that unusual and Orange will have procedures in place to deal with these kind of issues.