new tamper proof stamps

custardy

omelette451 wrote: »

Why does RM have to charge more? If it's a rule imposed on it then I can understand your anger but if it's simply because it costs RM more to process because it's less efficient then I don't.

Yes, under-investment has been a huge problem, and I'd be the first to criticise those who allowed it to get bogged down. However, it's important to note that whenever investment in modernisation is even mentioned RM staff automatically threaten to strike - perhaps low acceptance of modern working practices is the reason investment hasn't been forthcoming? Just a suggestion.

Most competitors did have a 'safe' home market, but it's fewer and fewer every year. DHL is perhaps the biggest (and arguably most successful) competitor, and now faces even more competition in its home market (Germany) than RM does here. The fact is though that the 'home' markets are much more efficient than RM is here - TNT and DHL have both modernised successfully - a sign that domestic 'home' players can do it if they try hard enough.



Yes it was in the last decade - I'd be too young to remember it otherwise. Until very recently it was stated explicitly on the RM website, and it's still in the pdf rule book a previous poster linked to. More importantly, however, it's still what staff tell people to do - the parents of an old uni friend were told by a postman to do it because sticking new stamps on business mail and re-writing the address was causing too much confusion in the mail centre and it kept being misplaced/misdelivered! And of course I mentioned in a previous post that staff at my old college (which is classed officially as a post office) still do it - and they should know!

ah TNT ther company who were taken to court for paying under minimum wage,still get state subsidy in thier home market and state they are not ready to open their market and have lapsed their target date indefinitly.

sorry but i need to take you up on your threaten to strike for modernisation.
change happens all the time.in my own office all duties are changing in the next few weeks
we now cover extra duties as staffing/mail volumes demand
plus many other factors
the problem is RM wont give you a straight answer
RM- we are going to start doing X duty this way
the workers- okay but wht about x,y & z?
RM- oh well we will bring in X and just worry about the other factors
then regardless of the fallout RM just blunder on.

also any agreements are used as whipping sticks phrases like 'you agreed to it','this is how you set it up' etc ar used.
eg we made many cuts/savings in my office and were told this would be feasible as we were getting walk sequenced mail and there would be less sorting.
the cuts came in(and more) yet wheres the sequenced mail? in fact given the trials i have seen/heard of the machines will never get near their promised capacity
RM's a stepping stone for me so im not losing any sleep.my own walk duty was timed by RM's software and was right on target for 3.5 hours delivery span so the changes affect me very little in bthe grand scheme
yet even after checking it and the software agreeing i have a 'perfect' sized delivery im being told this is being disregarded and more added

custardy

louisebbctlc wrote: »

:rotfl:

Thanks well said :T
Just because u work 4 them dont mean u know every thing!!

um again are you reading the post you are quoting?
you are the one defrauding RM

worbikeman

May 1840. A gentleman by the name of Rowland Hill invents a stamp called a penny black. You stick it to a letter, the PO cancels it so it can't be used again, and delivers the letter. Shall I go through that again a bit more slowly?:p

chja

worbikeman wrote: »

May 1840. A gentleman by the name of Rowland Hill invents a stamp called a penny black. You stick it to a letter, the PO cancels it so it can't be used again, and delivers the letter. Shall I go through that again a bit more slowly?:p

Depends what you are saying...

a) you can't use a stamp again.

or

b) if the post office don't cancel it, then you can use it again.

louisebbctlc

custardy wrote: »

um again are you reading the post you are quoting?
you are the one defrauding RM

You still talking 2 me! :mad:

custardy

you're still not answering the post

Wig

jasmineswhiskers wrote: »

In this case isn't it easier to stick a new address label over the old one.

Not if you stuck it to the wrong size/sort of envelope. I have had envelopes in my drawer for years that have a stamp on them but I don't use the envelope because I don't want to send the envelope of that size (too big).

This new stamp would theoretically try to stop me from making a simple mistake, and then trying to rectify it to use my stamp on another envelope at a later date. And as far as I can see there would be nothing illegal about cutting a stamp out and using pritt stick to attach it to the correct envelope. If this is the case I can't see how they would be able to differentiate between people doing this legitimately and people doing it on from a letter that has been through the system.

I have to admit, I didn't know there was anything illegal about reusing an unfranked stamp. I suppose if it is not specifically mentioned in any Act concerning Royal Mail, it would come under obtaining a pecuniary advantage by deception, but I fail to see where the deception would be, as the unfranked stamp that has been delivered to you is now your property, unless it always remains the property of the Royal Mail, but I've never heard of that before.

Wig

omelette451 wrote: »

1. Cut cleverly just under the perforations, then stick it with glue to the new envelope. (mikey72)

2. Stick a new address label over the old address. (jamineswhiskers)

It's conceivable that no.1 may be prevented by the new design, but there's nothing to stop you doing no.2. Unless the envelope was marked but not the stamp, which can happen, they have no way of knowing whether it was a simple mistake on the part of the person writing the letter (to pick an example out of thin air, how about a grandparent sending a card to a university-age granddaughter, automatically writes the home address but then realises it's term time and has to change it...) or a deliberate attempt to defraud Royal Mail, so they would have to accept it.

I often recycle envelopes by using them again, with new stamps, I can't see that this is illegal.

Wig

custardy wrote: »

sticking the stamp on would be deemed a reused stamp

Under what law or case law? and even if it is re-used from one unposted envelope to another has any offence been committed? I don't think so.

putting a new address label on,is this with or without the letter having been previously posted? bearing in mind franking will still be in operation

Does it matter? You can stick the stamp on an un-franked part of the envelope or put a sticky label over the previous franking.

quite sad how no matter what RM does people see the negative,isnt it?

Perhaps that's because there is a negative to be seen by law abiding people.

Wig

amcluesent wrote: »

No more Blue Peter stamp appeals at Xmas then.

Will no-one think of the children!

I've never understood this, how can used stamps have any value?
Same with plastic bottle tops which they collect on the continent?