Failure and bitterness.

adr0ck

Generali wrote: »

The US-ians had a policy introduced in the early GW Bush years whereby you could only get subsistence-type benefits for a limited period (2 years I think).

That appeals to me and seemed to work well over there. Perhaps a trade off could be a higher benefit for a shorter period of time.

i've always like this idea

everyone gets say 3 years dole throughout their working life

once you have used you years up thats it...then you just get food vouchers or something similar

SGE1

adr0ck wrote: »

i've always like this idea

everyone gets say 3 years dole throughout their working life

once you have used you years up thats it...then you just get food vouchers or something similar

That's fine, but only if there's a system in place to make sure those on the dole have the right skills to enter the workforce once the 2-3 years are up. There is no point in throwing people back onto the working market place if they don't have the skills and confidence to get a job.

adr0ck

SGE1 wrote: »

That's fine, but only if there's a system in place to make sure those on the dole have the right skills to enter the workforce once the 2-3 years are up. There is no point in throwing people back onto the working market place if they don't have the skills and confidence to get a job.

they should be getting the skills whilst on the dole

and hopefully the confidence bit will come whilst getting the skills

scousethife

wintersunshine wrote: »

Nice....and 4 people "Thanked" this post....unbelievable:rolleyes:

5 now........

lana22

The_White_Horse wrote: »

but you misunderstand. apart from the fact that most are lying and doctors know nothing, except how to fill in a sick note, what i am saying is, even if they are depressed, or have a bad back, they can still work.

the bloke at work next to me has a terrible back. he still works. that is because he isn't lazy scum.

a blind woman works with me. she finds her way to the office on trains, with just a white stick. she pays tax, so filthy layabout scum can collect their JSA or IB.

a sad world we live in. and possible, thanks to people like you.

That's right, doctors know nothing at all, they just sit and fill in sick notes. Isn't it funny how it takes so many years training to learn how to just fill in a form? What we should really be doing is listening to people on internet forums instead, then we'd sort out who can work and who can't.

I know; why doesn't the government post the stories (anonomised of course) on this board, then let the public decide whether they are scrounging scum or not?

On second thoughts, why not leave it to actual qualified doctors.

lynzpower

adr0ck wrote: »

they should be getting the skills whilst on the dole

and hopefully the confidence bit will come whilst getting the skills

Of course they should! But the system doesnt work like that!

I vaguely recall an issue in the north east a couple of years ago, where the job centre had trained lots of claimants to work in the call centre industry, ready to propel claimants into working there. Alas the huge employing call centre decided to up sticks to india - contriubuting yet more claimants into the system .

The difficulty really is that the jobs that we really need in this country ( ie which pay good salaries and we currently use overseas staff to plug the gaps) fo example social work, involves a 3 year degree. the state does not train social workers.there is a shortage of places to train midwifery/ social work/ nursing and the competitio to get on these courses is fierce in any case.

I totally agree with the confidence issues, and really its my view that all DWP staf fin job centres should be effectively used as job coaches, mainly working with the confidence issues many long term claimants face. but this involves rtime ( the one time I tried to sign on I got 2 mins in a crowded open office, if I had confidence issues that certainly was not a confidential environment to be able to feel safe to recieve counselling interventions) the offices ar elaid out as if to process people, not to offer meaningful intervention that works.

Food vouchers are no good for example to our Sue and hundreds lke her- how can she pay for a printer to print off her cv, or pay a newsagent for photocopies? How can she pay her bus fare to get her to an interview? What about a new pair of tights or skirt for that interview?

mizzbiz

lana22 wrote: »

That's right, doctors know nothing at all, they just sit and fill in sick notes. Isn't it funny how it takes so many years training to learn how to just fill in a form? What we should really be doing is listening to people on internet forums instead, then we'd sort out who can work and who can't.

I know; why doesn't the government post the stories (anonomised of course) on this board, then let the public decide whether they are scrounging scum or not?

On second thoughts, why not leave it to actual qualified doctors.

Well, I had a doctor who couldn't tell the difference between eczema (which i've never suffered with) and a rash from a very bad viral infection. Two weeks incapacitated in bed later, a second opinion and some blood tests and I was finally able to start recovering. Never even got the eczema cream from the prescription as i knew she was talking bollix.

lana22

mizzbiz wrote: »

Well, I had a doctor who couldn't tell the difference between eczema (which i've never suffered with) and a rash from a very bad viral infection. Two weeks incapacitated in bed later, a second opinion and some blood tests and I was finally able to start recovering. Never even got the eczema cream from the prescription as i knew she was talking bollix.

Ah well that proves it then.

mizzbiz

lana22 wrote: »

Ah well that proves it then.

Indeed.

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carolt

lynzpower wrote: »

Of course they should! But the system doesnt work like that!

I vaguely recall an issue in the north east a couple of years ago, where the job centre had trained lots of claimants to work in the call centre industry, ready to propel claimants into working there. Alas the huge employing call centre decided to up sticks to india - contriubuting yet more claimants into the system .

The difficulty really is that the jobs that we really need in this country ( ie which pay good salaries and we currently use overseas staff to plug the gaps) fo example social work, involves a 3 year degree. the state does not train social workers.there is a shortage of places to train midwifery/ social work/ nursing and the competitio to get on these courses is fierce in any case.

I totally agree with the confidence issues, and really its my view that all DWP staf fin job centres should be effectively used as job coaches, mainly working with the confidence issues many long term claimants face. but this involves rtime ( the one time I tried to sign on I got 2 mins in a crowded open office, if I had confidence issues that certainly was not a confidential environment to be able to feel safe to recieve counselling interventions) the offices ar elaid out as if to process people, not to offer meaningful intervention that works.

Food vouchers are no good for example to our Sue and hundreds lke her- how can she pay for a printer to print off her cv, or pay a newsagent for photocopies? How can she pay her bus fare to get her to an interview? What about a new pair of tights or skirt for that interview?

Agree, but that said, having no money and being about to starve would probably do wonders for those lacking 'confidence' to apply. We all lack confidence in certain situations, but when you have to deal with it, you find that actually, you do survive. I've been unemployed and was v shy as a teenager - yet I still coped with going for - and getting - jobs. There's nothing like actually being made to face things that bother one to enable one to get over them and realise they're no big deal after all.

What unemployed people need is a job, even if it's not perfect - so they can get something on their CV's, develop skills in situ, develop that elusive 'confidence', and even if they hate the job, at least learn that and plan towards getting a job they would like.

Sitting on their !!!!!! achieves none of that, and costs the rest of us who do bother to work.

I refer to long-term unemployed here, BTW - not those recently unemployed due to recession etc.