Unions protest because contractors are using foreign workers at power station.

leveller2911

fedupnow wrote: »

One of the refineries who have protests 'in sympathy' is in the south of the county I live in. They are prone to walkouts.
see here , here , here but strikers really need to take care because look .

this particular site. I was just thinking that had the main contractors done their research they would have known this. The current walkout is only going to make the British workforce less popular with foreign employers.

I can understand those who didn't get the jobs protesting.... but for those with jobs to walk out is senseless - only my opinion of course.

I understand what your saying, but the French are always backing each other and striking .I think if something is justified then its right to stick up for each other, it show spirit, it show's no matter how good your life is you still care about those less fortunate and I'm all for that.Im Not in favour of the old 70's style walkouts,unions had far to much power, now they seem toothless.

leveller2911

fedupnow wrote: »

I meant not joining the euro.

Oh Ok, No I wsn't referring to the Euro currency. I was saying that we are in the EU. There are a lot of things good about the EU too. Not all granted. Unfortunately, as in everything else, we tend to hear about the frustrations and costs rather than any of the benefits.

Of course the EU may not have benefitted you in any way at all, or indeed any of the people you come across in your work place, or at least not that you or they may realise.

Im a doom and gloomer so I always pick on the negatives.:D

omelette451

fedupnow wrote: »

Does anybody know if the Italian company use an agency to recruit the 'en masse' of workers?

Whilst recruiting, did they specify 'no Brits need apply'?

The Italian company didn't reruit anyone specifically for this job: the 'en masse' of workers you refer to is the company's existing workforce, hence why they were already trained and 'ready to go'. I don't know how they recruited the staff in the first place, but have no reason to doubt that they followed all relevant EU laws while doing so. Thus it's true, as I suppose you were hinting at, that the people protesting could easily have applied for the jobs when they were advertised in Italy, whenever that was.

omelette451

leveller2911 wrote: »

I can honestly say with my hand on my heart the number of people who want more powers given to the EU you could count on one hand.

That's funny, there are more people on this thread in favour of the EU than I can count on one of my hands... Unless you've got an abnormally large number of fingers (in which case I hope you're a star pianist ), that's rather a poor argument to make.

fedupnow

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Originally Posted by fedupnow
Does anybody know if the Italian company use an agency to recruit the 'en masse' of workers?

Whilst recruiting, did they specify 'no Brits need apply'?

The Italian company didn't reruit anyone specifically for this job: the 'en masse' of workers you refer to is the company's existing workforce, hence why they were already trained and 'ready to go'. I don't know how they recruited the staff in the first place, but have no reason to doubt that they followed all relevant EU laws while doing so. Thus it's true, as I suppose you were hinting at, that the people protesting could easily have applied for the jobs when they were advertised in Italy, whenever that was.

It's just that the basis of the more militant supporters' arguement appears to be that the Brits were somehow prevented from applying. Should the adverts have only appeared in Italy then presumably that is a bar of a sort although I imagine legally aceptable within EU laws.

I imagine British and all other Nationalities do this too... all legally. But perhaps this is where another rule could be introduced (Oh gawd not another EU rule;) ) perhaps it should be that any job/s should be advertised within the area where the work is to be carried out. Mybe they were and the Brits were already employed elsewhere at the time of asking. Or maybe, they just plain didn't need any more than were already on their books and the same crew just move around, country to country as the contracts are won or lost.

I think the bottom line is the British companies just lost out. Perhaps they were too greedy or too slow or the workforce too prone to strike.

I'm sure all will become clear soon enough when they have finished their 'talks' and produced their 'report'. (I bet they're all playing golf really)

MrFonzerelli

Whilst being pro Europe I am frustrated at our governments continued failure to negotiate a good deal for the UK.
The UK opened up its energy markets, whereas others countries didn't. This allowed other countries to buy ours and achieve efficiencies of scale which UK companies weren't allowed to. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/eu-summit-fails-to-address-protectionism-fears-471324.html
It could therefore be argued that the concept of a fair playing field for companies is a mirage..!?

dervish

fedupnow wrote: »

I posted a couple of times on this topic in another thread but I shall join in here to.

We are in the EU...... have been for a long time so those who think we shouldn't be are just going to have to get used to it I'm afraid. As Europeans we can live and work wherever we like within the Union. So can the Italians. An Italian company won the contract fair and square......... or didn't they?

One of the refineries who have protests 'in sympathy' is in the south of the county I live in. They are prone to walkouts.
see here , here , here but strikers really need to take care because look .

If I was looking for skilled workers towork on a refinery I would discount those guys I think.

I have a couple of questions whichsome of you may know the answer to. I am asking them because I don't know the answers... not to cause a bit of a stir.

Does anybody know if the Italian company use an agency to recruit the 'en masse' of workers?

If so, was it an Italian recruitment agency?

Whilst recruiting, did they specify 'no Brits need apply'?

Do British companies advertise positions in Italy?

and that is exactly why we should get out of the EU.

Let British people govern Britain.

dervish

dinoyoung wrote: »

Reg: They've bled us white, the !!!!!!!s. They've taken everything we had, not just from us, from our fathers and from our fathers' fathers.

Stan: And from our fathers' fathers' fathers.

Reg: Yes.

Stan: And from our fathers' fathers' fathers' fathers.

Reg: All right,

Stan. Don't labour the point. And what have they ever given us in return?

Xerxes: The aqueduct.

Reg: Oh yeah, yeah they gave us that. Yeah. That's true.

Masked Activist: And the sanitation!

Stan: Oh yes... sanitation, Reg, you remember what the city used to be like.

Reg: All right, I'll grant you that the aqueduct and the sanitation are two things that the Romans have done...

Matthias: And the roads...

Reg: (sharply) Well yes obviously the roads... the roads go without saying. But apart from the aqueduct, the sanitation and the roads...

Another Masked Activist: Irrigation...

Other Masked Voices: Medicine... Education... Health...

Reg: Yes... all right, fair enough...

Activist Near Front: And the wine...

Omnes: Oh yes! True! Francis: Yeah. That's something we'd really miss if the Romans left, Reg.

Masked Activist at Back: Public baths!

Stan: And it's safe to walk in the streets at night now.

Francis: Yes, they certainly know how to keep order... (general nodding)... let's face it, they're the only ones who could in a place like this.(more general murmurs of agreement)

Reg: All right... all right... but apart from better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation and public health and roads and a freshwater system and baths and public order... what have the Romans done for us?

Xerxes: Brought peace!

Reg: (very angry, he's not having a good meeting at all) What!? Oh... (scornfully) Peace, yes... shut up!

a good example of the excellent things that the British Empire did for the people in India, Africa, Canada, Asia etc.

And now a lot of those immigrants come over here and seek to destroy the superb legacy we agve them.

subarusty

itsallagame wrote: »

Er, whats wrong with raising concerns about asbestos? (from your link)

I would rather lose a job than my life .

Glad I don't work for you
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Well I'm glad I don't work for any company you run, they'd never make a penny.

In that particular case I believe it was considered safe by the unions, the H & S Executive and all other experts considered it safe. Not one expert suggested there was a problem.

There is a reason why unions don't support some strikes and when the strike is illegal I personally don't see an issue with getting replacements.

There is sometimes a willingness to strike before listening to the details to find out if anything is wrong - I note that site seems to be striking in support of this strike as well.

I see nothing wrong with strikes but half the time people don't actually know what they're really striking for.

Oops just read further down the page and realised fedup has said everything already. My only real point is back to being about this jumping to conclusions that everyone seems to do.

chucky

dervish wrote: »

a good example of the excellent things that the British Empire did for the people in India, Africa, Canada, Asia etc.

And now a lot of those immigrants come over here and seek to destroy the superb legacy we agve them.

Dervish apart from being a racist, which by all means you're allowed to be - you seem to have been reading the wrong history books.

Did you hear about this thing called the slave trade or even ripping communities apart just to get these countries valuable commodities?