Unions protest because contractors are using foreign workers at power station.

MrFonzerelli

bubblesmoney wrote: »

people starve because of poverty and lack of infrastructure to store/transport food properly in developing countries and not because of shortage. 2/3rds of agricultural produce gets wasted in many places because of improper food storage facilities. trade gives them money to improve infrastructure.

looks like any bloody excuse is good enough to put trade barriers when the boot is on the other foot. trade and services are interlinked.

whats really out of sight in this discussion is that the UK has signed multilateral treaties and cant have its cake and eat it too. there is give and take in any treaty and uk must fulfil its obligations under the treaties.

tesco wouldnt have been one of the biggest uk companies if they couldnt buy cheap abroad and sell here. tescos produce is bought by the uk consumers so looks like uk consumers are voting with their moeny as to what they want, even is some peoples mouths and money are not in the same place.

one cant have cheap food, cars, clothes, holidays, etc etc etc just by buying british produce produced only by british workers working 36h a week with all kinds of leave plus loads of sickies to boot and transported only by british workers in vehicles manufactured 100% in Uk and run by fuel only from north sea oil. :rotfl: time for you to stop dreaming and time for me to stop wasting time on this thread.

Anyone that classifies innocent people dying as 'any bloody excuse' doesn't deserve a response.

slopemaster

What people seem to be missing is that this isn't just a case of British workers being racist because some (individual) foreign workers have come over and managed to get jobs. As far as I understand it, its because these employers have brought them in en masse, without giving anyone else an apportunity to apply

silverchair

Well heres my 2 pence worth.

I dont mind if someone who isnt actually originally from this country (immigrant) getting a job over another candidate as long as its been properly advertised & they were found to be the best person to do the job on merit alone (Im not talking about positive discrimination or whether they are willing accept a lower wage).

What I find appalling is that a company was able to bring in a load of people en masse from another country without actually advertsing the job & allowing the locals to apply for the job. They keep harping on about the people brought in have the right skills. How the hell do they know that the people from around the area or within the UK dont have the right skills without actually advertising the job & interviewing them.

The workers brought in, arent here to settle, so will not be contributing very much on a long term basis. They may use the shops & pubs, but I suspect they will probably save their money so as to send home.

Other posters have said that the local people should move to find a job & have hinted that they are not moving becasue they are too lazy.

I dont see why they should move if there are jobs around, they are just being barred from applying to them.

If you are single & renting it might be easy to move. If you have a family in school its quite an upheaval, especially if they are in their GCSE years & different schools are with different examining boards (different types of coursework accepted).

b0rker

I know about 20 Poles who live in Inverness personally and would consider many of them good friends. Of the 20 that I know not one of them appears to be capeable of any violent crimes, nor any crime to be honest. They are all well educated, most of them with degrees. The majority have been employed locally by an IT company to perform the best paid jobs (server support) at that company (one of very few IT companies in the city). This annoys a lot of the British workers there who are left doing less well paid jobs. Cleary the company who has employed them has realised that they cannot get British people to do the work for the money they are offering for these jobs so they litterally imported Poles with degrees in IT. The company set them up with somewhere to live for 6 months, paid for flights etc, all to be paid back at a later date of course! There are also many Poles doing the less well paid jobs which are not much above minimum wage. Make of that what you will.

On the other hand I have seen some poles in town causing a lot of trouble. also my partner tells me that she is aware of a good few Poles in Inverness that are not at all decent people. I have seen and heard worse about the locals mind you!

Looks like you will get a mix of people across all societies. What a shockers that is...

hethmar

Of course there is a mix - but the police in our country and THEIRS pointed out we are getting a concentration of criminals arriving unfettered into our country. I believe the programme said that one tenth of all drink driver incidence are due to immigrants?

Considering the percentage of immigrants per capita of our population (or so we are told!) this is a huge amount. There have been several hit and run deaths locally here which have been found to have been immigrant drivers.

In the papers was the case of a romanian teenager who travelled all over the country with her siblings making a living from picking pockets in city centres. She had been caught literally dozens of times but continued to live this way and her defence was "theft was a way of life for her people" - now what can you do when people say this?

mewbie_2

chucky wrote: »

i'm giving Mewbie some support...

Thanks Chucky, although it's only an internet forum it means a lot to me.

I owe you.

mewbie_2

One angle on this story that I have been wondering about. There were 5 British companies tendering for this contract. If the wage rates and job conditions are agreed, set across the industry by company and union, then I wonder how they tendered for the work. Does Sub Contractor A say "My gang will work the same as the other 4 and cost you the same", and the rest similarly. And were each of the British contractors offering the same pool of workers for the contract, or do they each have a different pool or workers? In which case surely there are always disgruntled British workers when one of these five companies lands a contract?

It doesn't make sense to me so if anyone has an answer - glad to know.

b0rker

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/scotland/Dundee-pair-on-trial-over.4941453.jp

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/tayside_and_central/7867815.stm

omelette451

mewbie wrote: »

It doesn't make sense to me so if anyone has an answer - glad to know.

I don't have an answer for that exact question but it's been widely reported that one reason they chose that particular contractor is because the Italians were 'ready to go', while any new staff being hired would have had to have been trained for it.

fedupnow

I posted a couple of times on this topic in another thread but I shall join in here to.

We are in the EU...... have been for a long time so those who think we shouldn't be are just going to have to get used to it I'm afraid. As Europeans we can live and work wherever we like within the Union. So can the Italians. An Italian company won the contract fair and square......... or didn't they?

One of the refineries who have protests 'in sympathy' is in the south of the county I live in. They are prone to walkouts.
see here , here , here but strikers really need to take care because look .

If I was looking for skilled workers towork on a refinery I would discount those guys I think.

I have a couple of questions whichsome of you may know the answer to. I am asking them because I don't know the answers... not to cause a bit of a stir.

Does anybody know if the Italian company use an agency to recruit the 'en masse' of workers?

If so, was it an Italian recruitment agency?

Whilst recruiting, did they specify 'no Brits need apply'?

Do British companies advertise positions in Italy?