Unions protest because contractors are using foreign workers at power station.

dervish

hethmar wrote: »

Perhaps you misunderstood - the programme was reporting on the numbers of dangerous criminals from Eastern bloc countries - they gave the numbers and pointed out 46% of those were Polish.

If you feel that is racism take it up with the programme makers - not me

A lot of do-gooders and lefties can see racism in just about anything....

hethmar

Except when the Brits are being knocked!

omelette451

hethmar wrote: »

Check out Migrantwatch - they are the official body.

Any body that describes itself as "concerned about the level of immigration" or names itself "watch" automatically kills all hope of being balanced or independent. And who exactly says it's 'official'? As far as I know it's not recognised by any official bodies, and there are always people queueing up to dispute its arguments, which also suggests it's far from balanced.

I am not aware of Brits overseas who are in countries with people having the same skills stuck on dole queues whilst Brits get preference?

Without asking the two million British citizens living in other EU countries, I can't and won't evaluate whether or not they have displaced 'locals' from jobs. I dare say, however, that there are indeed many in jobs that locals could do if the British person hadn't been employed instead. This again is the British sense of self-importance rising up: why do people here assume British people overseas are necessarily super-specialised and indispensable? When I've lived abroad I've encountered many British people doing 'ordinary' jobs and no one has seen fit to complain. In any case, it seems in the current issue that any British people who had been employed in place of the Italian crew would have had to have been recruited and trained from scratch, while the Italians were trained and ready to start immediately. I don't know if this is true or not, but it's what was reported today.

hethmar

Well, omlette - you say you dont know whether you are correct. But you arent interested in any facts or figures.

The workers already had the skills that the Italians have.

I dont think you really want to know the truth or the facts. May be if you or yours find yourself on a dole queue you would feel the same as the strikers.

Nite nite.

bubblesmoney

hethmar wrote: »

Perhaps you misunderstood - the programme was reporting on the numbers of dangerous criminals from Eastern bloc countries - they gave the numbers and pointed out 46% of those were Polish. (this was confirmed by Scotland Yards extradition squad) - "anecdotal"? "baseless"? "blatant racism"?

If you feel that is racism take it up with the programme makers - not me

statistics is used and abused by selection and other types of bias.

see well documented reports by IPPR and see the well referenced articles. there are hundreds of them. they show the good and the bad points in all their articles. read them, a few at least, some peoples views might change.

as for the police, even before you read their 'evidence', read up on the stephen lawrence enquiry and its report about the police.

In 1999, an inquiry headed by Sir William MacPherson examined the original Metropolitan police investigation and famously concluded that the force was "institutionally racist". An article on BBC Online defined it as 'one of the most important moments in the modern history of criminal justice in Britain'.[3]

Recently the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, Sir Ian Blair has also called the media institutionally racist,[7] a comment which provoked a heated response from the media despite being welcomed by the Black Police Association.[8]

Sir William Macpherson of Cluny used the term as a description of "the collective failure of an organisation to provide an appropriate and professional service to people because of their colour, culture or ethnic origin", which "can be seen or detected in processes, attitudes and behaviour which amount to discrimination through unwitting prejudice, ignorance, thoughtlessness, and racist stereotyping which disadvantages minority ethnic people.".[6]

In 1981, a report issued by Lord Scarman stated that the Metropolitan Police were having problems regarding racial discrimination.[129]The issue arose again in the 1999 Macpherson Report, which stated that institutional racism existed in the force.[130]

hethmar

Right, so Scotland Yard are making up the figures to give themselves extra work, fine. Oh and that goes for the police in their own countries who are coming over to take them back on military planes. Right.

Nite nite. Must go.

bubblesmoney

hethmar wrote: »

Right, so Scotland Yard are making up the figures to give themselves extra work, fine. Oh and that goes for the police in their own countries who are coming over to take them back on military planes. Right.

Nite nite. Must go.

i am not disputing that there will be criminals among migrants. but the police as shown by official enquiries have been shown to be wanting in terms of racism themselves. or am i making up the conclusions of official enquiries into racism in the police forces. read the reports i linked above you might surprise yourself about a few things.

do you mean to say poland if full of crime and they are exporting criminals. sure criminals might have come here to make richer pickings but selective use of crime statistics makes me :rotfl: . no surprise since quite a few on the leaked BNP membership list recently were policemen as well.

omelette451

hethmar wrote: »

I dont think you really want to know the truth or the facts. May be if you or yours find yourself on a dole queue you would feel the same as the strikers.

If you read back you will find that I have already admitted to being unemployed myself, and I still do not agree with the strikers. Perhaps that's because I refuse to have a closed-mind outlook and have actually been making the most of the benefits to all of European expansion by looking for work in other countries too. I understand the benefits an open European market has brought to the entire union, and am excited rather than scared by the prospect of mobility.

In fact I am very worried about the events unfolding in Britain now, scared about the consequences of protectionism. If the British government falls to populism and does try to tighten market rules against foreigners, the inevitable retaliation against British citizens by other countries is likely to be much more of a blow to my prospects of finding employment than the current situation.

Not only that, I oppose any protectionist move at all as it is highly likely to be a shot in the foot for the British economy in general: it is almost certain that such a move would lead to huge job losses here among companies that want to operate in the 'open' market that we have now and that would close or stop expanding if forced out of it.

MrFonzerelli

Countries should stop concreting over arable land and put a stop to positive net migration where the country in question is reliant on imported food.

Capitalism / market forces are causing developing countries to sell food for higher prices to developed nations whilst their own population starve. http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/natural_resources/article3701346.ece

Are some individuals here still ardent advocates of freedom of movement and unregulated Capitalism? What's the saying 'out of sight out of mind'!!

bubblesmoney

people starve because of poverty and lack of infrastructure to store/transport food properly in developing countries and not because of shortage. 2/3rds of agricultural produce gets wasted in many places because of improper food storage facilities. trade gives them money to improve infrastructure.

looks like any bloody excuse is good enough to put trade barriers when the boot is on the other foot. trade and services are interlinked.

whats really out of sight in this discussion is that the UK has signed multilateral treaties and cant have its cake and eat it too. there is give and take in any treaty and uk must fulfil its obligations under the treaties.

tesco wouldnt have been one of the biggest uk companies if they couldnt buy cheap abroad and sell here. tescos produce is bought by the uk consumers so looks like uk consumers are voting with their moeny as to what they want, even is some peoples mouths and money are not in the same place.

one cant have cheap food, cars, clothes, holidays, etc etc etc just by buying british produce produced only by british workers working 36h a week with all kinds of leave plus loads of sickies to boot and transported only by british workers in vehicles manufactured 100% in Uk and run by fuel only from north sea oil. :rotfl: time for you to stop dreaming and time for me to stop wasting time on this thread.