Unions protest because contractors are using foreign workers at power station.

Any

MRSTITTLEMOUSE wrote: »

Any wrote: »

I'm not complaining about a foreign worker getting my job.I'm saying that any jobs available in todays economic climate should be given to British people.
I remember the 70s recession when redundancies happened.It's amazing how job titles changed slightly and then new staff were taken on at reduced rates as crafty employers(particularly in the private sector)got wise and cut their costs.
Do you think if foreign workers are happy to work for less than you are it's going to help the job situation.

You cannot go to an employer and dictate to him who to employ. They have right to employ the best person for the job. Next you will be telling them not to employ person leaving from different job and rather pick a person that doesn't have a job at all.
The same way as noone can come to you and say "you must buy your bread from here, it's British, and not from here, it's French!"
That would be no longer democracy, would it?

Wookster

Any wrote: »

That would be no longer democracy, would be?

Not only that but companies then end up employing people who aren't fit for the job and they then operate inefficiently, cannot compete with other companies that have the right people and go bust (in the long run of course).

Its a recipe for disaster.

Simple fact is, the company in question has found local staff to be wanting and gone with someone else.

Any

Wookster wrote: »

Not only that but companies then end up employing people who aren't fit for the job and they then operate inefficiently, cannot compete with other companies that have the right people and go bust (in the long run of course).

Its a recipe for disaster.

Simple fact is, the company in question has found local staff to be wanting and gone with someone else.

Absolutely, I agree.
Also it is known from history of the Eastern Europe block that communist tried this approach and it didn't get them anywhere...
All it got them was a police country full of frightened people and revolution on the end.
They didn't want import and so world didn't want their export - thanks to their reluctancy of opening the door they were 100 yrs behing technology and the world didn't recognise their labels..

omelette451

Wookster wrote: »

Not only that but companies then end up employing people who aren't fit for the job and they then operate inefficiently, cannot compete with other companies that have the right people and go bust (in the long run of course).

Its a recipe for disaster.

Simple fact is, the company in question has found local staff to be wanting and gone with someone else.

Very true. And if workers in other European countries did the same thing and encouraged wild protectionism, British companies with interests on the continent would find themselves struggling big-style which would in turn lead to job cuts at UK offices, and if individual staff at foreign companies were to find themselves persecuted in the way that foreign staff are here and start returning to the UK, there will be even more people fighting for the few jobs there are here - and as they tend to be the ones with the best skills and experience, they'll be the first to be hired. In addition to that, any reduction in cross-border trade will inevitably lead to cuts in the any sector that supports it, including but not limited to transport, freight, legal and insurance. Europe is a single marketplace and, like it or not, its economy and prosperity rests on strong and open connections between its countries.

bubblesmoney

i guess if the uk blocks other workers and foreign companies from buying out uk companies etc. if the same argument is used by foreign govts then they can block uk exports and nationalise all the uk owned companies abroad, the uk would have a lot more to lose in the bargain. what if the french say goods being transported through france must only be via french lorries etc. if it is ok for the uk located refineries (french owned) to allow only uk workers and not eu workers violating eu laws then surely it would be ok for the eu to blockade all stuff transported via uk ships or uk lorries transiting via eu countries. they can refuse to load or unload them etc. where does such protectionism end.

Any

omelette451 wrote: »

Very true. And if workers in other European countries did the same thing and encouraged wild protectionism, British companies with interests on the continent would find themselves struggling big-style which would in turn lead to job cuts at UK offices, and if individual staff at foreign companies were to find themselves persecuted in the way that foreign staff are here and start returning to the UK, there will be even more people fighting for the few jobs there are here - and as they tend to be the ones with the best skills and experience, they'll be the first to be hired. In addition to that, any reduction in cross-border trade will inevitably lead to cuts in the any sector that supports it, including but not limited to transport, freight, legal and insurance. Europe is a single marketplace and, like it or not, its economy and prosperity rests on strong and open connections between its countries.

Well said!!:T

Any

bubblesmoney wrote: »

i guess if the uk blocks other workers and foreign companies from buying out uk companies etc. if the same argument is used by foreign govts then they can block uk exports and nationalise all the uk owned companies abroad, the uk would have a lot more to lose in the bargain. what if the french say goods being transported through france must only be via french lorries etc. if it is ok for the uk located refineries (french owned) to allow only uk workers and not eu workers violating eu laws then surely it would be ok for the eu to blockade all stuff transported via uk ships or uk lorries transiting via eu countries. they can refuse to load or unload them etc. where does such protectionism end.

That is exactly what I meant in one of my previous post (though that one was reffering to British going back to Britain as well as foreigners getting out) - it is not one way street. If you ask for Visa to enter - of course that country will ask the same of you. If you will not buy their product - why do you think they will buy yours???
And never to mention that Britain don't have that much of their TRULY own produce...
And this whole argument started with FRENCH company not emplying british workers at one occasion.. What happens when they all go because we try to dictate to them?

harrup

Any wrote: »

Unskilled labour deserves unskilled wages. As long as British people understand this, noone will especially at these times employ foreign worker over their own.

The inherent difficulty with this , though, is to adequately define "unskilled".

Example: Someone working on a conveyor belt can be extremely skilled at his/her particular task. The production quota HUGELY depends on those workers efficiency, speed and focus = skill.

Surely they don't deserve a lower wage solely on the grounds that they don't have a degree or done an apprentiship. I know some hugely "formally skilled" academic pencil pushers....which earn a hefty, i.e. skilled, salary but who are total rubbish at their job.

Any

harrup wrote: »

The inherent difficulty with this , though, is to adequately define "unskilled".

Example: Someone working on a conveyor belt can be extremely skilled at his/her particular task. The production quota HUGELY depends on those workers efficiency, speed and focus = skill.

Surely they don't deserve a lower wage solely on the grounds that they don't have a degree or done an apprentiship. I know some hugely "formally skilled" academic pencil pushers....which earn a hefty, i.e. skilled, salary but who are total rubbish at their job.

Bla bla bla bla bla....
The fact is, that you start at apprentiship, then by hard work you get promotion and then you get promotion and then you get just another promotion.... Chipped in with few managing or any other course and then you become "skilled" worker. With those promotions you get a payrise and status.

Any

Any wrote: »

Bla bla bla bla bla....
The fact is, that you start at apprentiship, then by hard work you get promotion and then you get promotion and then you get just another promotion.... Chipped in with few managing or any other course and then you become "skilled" worker. With those promotions you get a payrise and status.

And then when you achieve this, you are hardly going to be replaced by newly coming foreigners who's qualification/experience has got nothing to do with the job, are you?? NO, and that is what this argument is about.